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| FlyByNight |
Posted - 08/22/2010 : 21:16:06
TMS is like a "fistula of the mind" .
In medicine, a fistula is an abnormal connection or passageway between two organs or vessels that normally do not connect in order to evacuate infection wastes.
To me, I see now TMS is an "abnormal way" that the mind finds to "express" emotions that were ignored/repressed for too long.
Therefore, I do not believe that the pain is a signal to "think emotionnaly". The pain IS "the emotion itself". After all, as Candace Pert would would say, any emotion is nothing more than a physiological reaction genreated by a neuropeptide isnt it (heart beat going faster, feeling in the stomach, etc.)
I found by experience after 5 yrs that If I treat the pain signal as the emotion itself, then pain subside.... if I try to only take the pain as a signal and then try to put words on my emotions (anger, fear). I get stuck and nothing happens, I am still in excruciating pain that sometimes even get worse, despite how hard I try to find and NAME the emotion I feel or journal my feelings !!!! .
The pain IS the emotion. if we Recognize it and accept it as what it is, and accept that it is now part of our body's way to express emotions. Then it will just flow and eventually subside.
My 2 cents.
Pat
TMS is a good thing, not a bad one. |
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 08/31/2010 : 17:09:07
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Originally posted by Wavy Soul
My issue is that this particular back pain definitely DOES have a physical component, diagnosed since I was quite young. And it's not one of those disk things.
What's the physical component?
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6415
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 08/31/2010 : 05:01:27
ha ha - this is SO spiritually INcorrect, to cuss part of yourself out...
I can see how it would work though. My 2 cents is that the beloved inner child has become a tyrant and often needs disciplining. Its expression through this "fistula" (love it, Fly By!) is a bit like having a tantrum. It wants to see who is really in charge, and secretly wants to know it's NOT really in charge.
I am here because I actually found myself googling "back pain" at 4 am. Oops! I got to a page that might have been the beginning of a downward spiral (the support group syndrome!) although I did see that one of the options was a book by our own Sensei Adam guy, who was presumably offering the TMS alternative.
My issue is that this particular back pain definitely DOES have a physical component, diagnosed since I was quite young. And it's not one of those disk things. There is a treatment that relieves it, with a particular doc. Ah well... I don't want to get into a debate. Because when it does get relieved for a while, something else flares up. So obviously I smell the rat. But right now, the pain has been keeping me awake.
aaaargh
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| maccafan |
Posted - 08/30/2010 : 20:09:33
I like what everyone has said here. When my back and any other thing tries to flare up again I talk to my brain like I'm a Saprano and say with disgust, "Fa getta 'bout it." Different things work at different times. Sometimes I have literally cussed my unconscious mind out and in which case I can't repeat here. But it works. Sometimes it takes a day or three but it works. |
| hottm8oh |
Posted - 08/30/2010 : 14:31:07
I like the fistula comparison and I fully agree.
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Originally posted by miehnesor
During my flareup I had an experience that was really quite amazing. I was in severe pain to the point where I thought I was going to pass out. In desperation I repeated the mantra to my IC "you are a good boy" over and over again. Suddenly the pain simply vanished and I was left lying on my back pain free with both hands buzzing, perhaps the release of endorphins. I felt great for a half hour or so until the symptoms built back in again.
So what the heck was that really all about anyway. Pretty bizarre since I didn't actually feel an emotion in the conventional sense to get out of the pain. But it was a release of something in my body kind of like a big emotion.
I do something similar. My phrase is "I am not broken." It's what ultimately got rid of my back pain. When I was in mid-recovery and feeling the pain creep up on me, I would stop what I was doing and internally yell "I AM NOT BROKEN" continuously at my brain. It pushed me over the edge to being consistently pain-free. |
| FlyByNight |
Posted - 08/23/2010 : 10:16:38
Dave,
I 100% agree. IT is nothing scientific nor proven, just a metaphor that at least now make sense to me. and I just hope it will make sense for others who are still stuck in the recovery process.
Thanks for your comment.
Pat
TMS is a good thing, not a bad one. |
| Dave |
Posted - 08/23/2010 : 09:56:59
quote:
Originally posted by FlyByNight
the pain is THE emotion.
You seem to have found a metaphor that works for you, which is great.
I have always said, the inner workings of TMS are a mystery and all we poor humans can do is put it into terms our minds can understand.
Ultimately the journey is a reconditioning process and whatever helps you to get there is welcome. However, be careful not to treat your statement above as if it were a scientific fact. Everyone is different and needs to find their own way to banish the bad habit that is TMS. |
| FlyByNight |
Posted - 08/22/2010 : 23:49:39
When I get pain that I can associate to a "trigger" event, I just say to my brain something like "ok Brain, the present situation makes me feels: (and then I put here a description of how I physically experience the pain at the present time) as I would do it to express an emotion ...
Just by doing that, 80 % of the time, the pain just fade partially and sometimes fully ....
the pain is THE emotion.
P.
TMS is a good thing, not a bad one. |
| miehnesor |
Posted - 08/22/2010 : 23:30:57
During my flareup I had an experience that was really quite amazing. I was in severe pain to the point where I thought I was going to pass out. In desperation I repeated the mantra to my IC "you are a good boy" over and over again. Suddenly the pain simply vanished and I was left lying on my back pain free with both hands buzzing, perhaps the release of endorphins. I felt great for a half hour or so until the symptoms built back in again.
So what the heck was that really all about anyway. Pretty bizarre since I didn't actually feel an emotion in the conventional sense to get out of the pain. But it was a release of something in my body kind of like a big emotion. |
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