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| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 06/28/2010 : 01:28:19
I'm moving this post from the migraine thread below where someone introduced the work of Pastor Henry Wright which is a kind of Christian TMS work.
I'm going to post another article by him that I just got in a newsletter - he has amazing success with very TMS-like conditions (fibro, CFS, MCS, migraines, and so on) through the emphasis on having faith that the body is okay and only "sin" is the problem. And what he means by "sin" is particularly FEAR.
As I said on the other thread, I'm not Christian, (although spiritual practice is my main thing in life), but / and I think his approach works because of the use of the AUTHORITY of God the Father who is saying THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU. A bit like the "yelling at your body" thing. Anyway, for what it's worth, here is the article - the website is called Be In Health...
FEAR OF PAIN
Over 4,000 fears have been named. That list includes fear of disability, fear of pain, fear of suffering. Most people are not aware that the fear of pain can produce pain. You can also accelerate pain levels by thinking about it. Your body responds to your thoughts. Pain is not an emotional expression from your soul, nor is it a spiritual expression. Pain is a physiological expression, a physical reality. There could be a spirit of pain influencing the fear of pain in your thoughts. In the Bible, stress is called fear or being anxious. Remember, fear, anxiety, and stress are synonymous terms.
The Bible says in the last days, men's hearts shall fail them because of fear.
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luke 21:26
Stress and fear directly affect the hypothalamus, both immediately and long-term. This is the mind-body connection. We are designed with the ability for 'fight or flight.' The fight or flight ability is the alarm stage our body responds to when subjected to fear or stress. If the stress is not resolved, our body moves into the resistance stage. Physical symptoms begin to develop in this stage due to the long-term affects of fear, anxiety and stress. The symptoms can include pain. The hypothalamus responds to the continual influence of the fear or anxiety in the mind which overloads the body's resources and eventually the body is depleted of its ability to repair and restore itself from the stress. If not resolved, this depletion develops into the exhaustion stage. The body is exhausted from attempting to repair itself and the mind is not sending thoughts to promote healing and restoration. God has created your body to heal itself. Your body is able to repair and renew itself on a regular basis but it does not think for itself, it is designed to respond to the mind. Your body responds to your thoughts.
The question becomes, which god are you listening to? If your body is moving from the alarm stage, which we've all experienced, to the resistance stage and eventually to the exhaustion stage, then you are not listening to the God who created you. 2 Timothy 1:7, God has not given you the spirit of fear.
For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 2 Timothy 1:7
Fear and stress directly affect nervous impulses. Pain is a result of flaring dendrites. Pain can be a psychogenic symptom of the fear of pain. But not all pain is psychogenic, which is pain created by the process of the mind. Pain can be organic.
There are various degrees of pain. If you cut your finger, that pain is not psychogenic. That is organic. There is a reason for it. Pain comes also from inflammation. Migraine headaches come from vasodilatation of the blood vessels in the cranial region as a result of the over-secretion of histamine and the under-secretion of serotonin, which is a vasoconstrictor. That is all it is.
In this case, a migraine is a psychogenic pain but it produces a real pain. The root is psychogenic because it is rooted in conflict with yourself over issues you are in conflict with. (You are angry with yourself because of the conflict you feel.) That causes an under-secretion of serotonin and an over-secretion of histamine because you have a combination of fear and self-hatred. Fear and self-hatred are two spiritual dynamics that can produce a migraine. To get rid of migraines, you have to get rid of fear and get rid of self-rejection, self-hatred and guilt. It is as simple as that. Anyone who has had migraines becomes afraid of them because the pain is debilitating."
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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| 2scoops |
Posted - 07/21/2010 : 08:26:59
"A child learns early on if it is safe to share their heart. If they find it is safe, they will be people who are open and transparent. If not, because of fear of rejection, or the fear of the wrath of another, they will become people who stuff their emotions which in time will damage their health. Stuffers can experience deliverance from this cruel bondage by forgiving their parents (for their failure to make them feel safe), and if they are willing to let go of their life (fear) by stepping out and risking it."
Geri McGhee
2Ti 1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Rom 8:15 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."
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| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 07/20/2010 : 19:45:10
I sent it to you, and anyone can google Henry Wright.
The latest newsletter is actually about cancer, which there is another thread on ("Blaming The Victim").
My 2 cents on blaming the victim is that most people who have accepted that they have TMS probably went through a defensive period where we felt "made wrong" by people who were implying that our illnesses weren't real. Personally, I had the "mystery illnesses" of fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue starting 30 years ago. People were just so excited to tell me it was my mind or unprocessed emotions, but was a cheese factory of processing my emotions and core beliefs compared to everyone I knew. So it didn't make sense, and it didn't help to be told my illness wasn't real.
It was Sarno's "distraction" theory that opened a new door for me, although when someone first gave me a Sarno book about back pain I threw it out in disgust. So I can understand why people don't want to hear about it. Since I introduce the idea of TMS to people as part of my professional activity, I have learned to be very careful about how I communicate. I don't want them to waste as much time as I did.
Thanks for all your intelligent thoughts.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 07/18/2010 : 21:42:32
Wavy,
Can u please email me the exact website of this Pastor so I can read more by him?
Thanks,
Karen |
| Cee |
Posted - 07/18/2010 : 19:08:09
I find this very interesting due to the fact that I have been dealing with neuropathy-like symptoms in both feet on and off for 6 years and in the past two month the neuropathy seems to have finally faded, but now I have pain in my feet and legs is well...so very painful. Sometimes just standing causes me so much pain, I cannot do anything but sit the rest of the day in tears...AFRAID to stand or walk for FEAR of setting off the pain. It has become so bad that I am now in pain on a constant basis and do not exercise or walk or even garden which I love. I think about it all the time.
Cee |
| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 11:03:39
btw Tom, d'you think that chicken thing would work with fatigue?
And do you know the shaman's address and e=mail?
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 10:56:36
What I find especially interesting in Wright's writing here is the whole piece about the time it can take once you have had your "mental" cure (which in his case is the belief that you can hand your fears to Jesus, which is pretty easily translatable into TMS terms, at least for me).
I like his explanation of neurotransmitters "upstream" and not worrying if symptoms continue as the body catches up with your mind. This is how I have experienced the TMS work working, and for me this is helpful.
As for "faith healing" - well, I see it as a matter of belief preference - we all believe in something, like the belief that our bodies are genuinely afflicted with a mysterious pain condition.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 09:07:17
Exactly Bento, it's faith healing--faith in YOURSELF. But to each his own. Take any path that works for you, but please don't downplay or discourage those who pick another path.
In one of the Good Doctor's books, he writes of a physician who had exhausted all conventional methods for his back pain and saw a witchdoctor. He attended a voo-doo ceremony in the jungle at midnight. The witchdoctor cut a chicken's head off and sprayed the patient with it's blood and the physician was cured of back pain.
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| Bento |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 06:24:18
Sounds more like faith healing which is a completely different kettle of fish and not a path I would choose to journey down. |
| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 04:00:28
Here is part 3 from that Pastor - and this part is really brilliant about the neurotransmitters, and waiting your symptoms out, etc.
Fear of Pain Part 3
The battle's over, yet in the resistance stage, even when the danger of the fear is gone, you are still geared up for fight or flight. When that happens, your bloodstream is filled with hormones - all sent by your hypothalamus to fight the enemy. The beginning of reversing it is when you start to take your peace. But because you take your peace and you have knowledge, it does not mean that the reaction stops instantly. It takes awhile for the body to respond.
The devil takes advantage of your ignorance if you are not aware of this and fills you with thoughts of doubt and unbelief. If you are applying these principles and the symptoms do not go away instantly, you may go right into more fear, unbelief and doubt, which accelerates more of the same. When you know the truth, you can be at peace while you are confidently waiting for your body to respond. If you do not fight this one, it will control you the rest of your life.
An allergic reaction does not last forever when you are not fighting it. When you start to take your peace back, you say, "Wait a minute. I have been taught better than this. This does not harm my body." You can still be having that reaction or that feeling or that exhaustion or that sickness or that burning or that fuzziness - there are a wide range of manifestations - but at the moment you take your peace back in your heart before God, your bloodstream is still filled with those neurotransmitters that have been secreted upstream and are still coursing through your system. It takes awhile for your bloodstream to clear. When you take your peace in your mind and in your heart, your hypothalamus will accept it and redirect your body to respond to your peace. "Perfect peace belongs to those whose minds are fixed or stayed on the Lord." You take your peace back in your spirit and your soul, but your body is still reacting. Fear is still there, unbelief is still there.
Remember that God will honor you in your choice to stand in peace and the hypothalamus will shut down the secreting of this hormone, but the bloodstream is still filled with it. It takes awhile for the bloodstream to finish pumping these hormones and the receptor cells to stop reacting to it until finally the reactions stop. That is the manifestation of your victory.
As you learn to fight this enemy, your mind is renewed so each time you face that stressor, you no longer react like before because programming is broken. That is what happens when people take back their life. One day they are allergic to a hundred different things and a few months down the road they are allergic to none of it. The spiritual dynamics changed. They are free from that enemy.
The battle is when you are in the situation. Scripture says when you have done all, to stand. When you've gained the knowledge, you have to apply it.
What is causing your problem has a root to it. There is a spiritual bondage, a cause and effect. Some people grasp it faster than others and sometimes there are things in people's lives that just need to be dealt with before it can be removed.
There is a battle for your life. This is not mind over matter.
This is not a science. This is life.
There is an invisible enemy out there that has been controlling mankind for many, many hundreds of years. But he can be defeated and when he is, God gets the glory. He got dethroned in the heavens and we get lifted up above him and that is to the glory of God. That gives us a place of trusting God and believing in Him, that He is greater than evil.
When you are in the face of evil, when you are fighting your battle, you do not know you are victorious until you look around afterwards and you say, "Well, I won." When you are in the battle, you do not feel very free.
Jesus said, 'If you continue in my word...you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
| art |
Posted - 07/07/2010 : 09:21:51
Well said...Fear is far and away my greatest problem. The pain in and of itself is always tolerable. At times there seems no way around it, especially as a runner and amateur musician who needs, or who thinks he needs anyway, these activities to be happy.
When all else fails, I try to be philosophical. Life is short, we all die, nothing is forever, many people have problems far worse than mine, etc etc..
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| Dave |
Posted - 07/06/2010 : 21:01:45
quote:
Originally posted by saralou
...i can handle pain if i know it's short lived or fixable...
This statement is completely contradictory to what TMS is all about.
With TMS pain there is nothing to "fix" at least in the physical sense. We must accept TMS pain is completely benign and is of psychological, and not structural origin.
Focusing on the pain, and especially seeking physical treatment, is an impediment to recovery.
The fear is harder to deal with than the pain. We tend to spend more time and energy worrying about the pain than experiencing it. There is the fear that the pain indicates something is structurally wrong in our bodies. There is the fear that the pain will get worse or even be debilitating. There is the fear that the pain will interfere with every day activities. The fear can be a more successful distraction than the pain itself. So it continues.
If you do the work and take a long-term view, the pain and the fear will subside over time. This is something you need to learn to trust.
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| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 07/06/2010 : 19:40:39
Yeah - fear is a major biggie for me, too. And its granddaughter, anxiety...
Yet sometimes when I'm working through it within myself it seems that the fear is a kind of layer over rage.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
| saralou |
Posted - 07/06/2010 : 02:52:40
mine seems to be fear based to..i can handle pain if i know it's short lived or fixable..it's when it stretched out and no one seems to know whats going on or can't help that i get into fear based scenerios about what it i'm like this forever, what if what if what if and my mind goes off into 100's of tangents about whats gonna happen to me. normally involving having to give uo work losing money losing house etc..so lots of mine prob based on security issues...wow i just realised that!! |
| saralou |
Posted - 07/06/2010 : 02:49:50
mine seems to be fear based to..i can handle pain if i know it's short lived or fixable..it's when it stretched out and no one seems to know whats going on or can't help that i get into fear based scenerios about what it i'm like this forever, what if what if what if and my mind goes off into 100's of tangents about whats gonna happen to me. normally involving having to give uo work losing money losing house etc..so lots of mine prob based on security issues...wow i just realised that!! |
| wrldtrv |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 16:58:20
Yes, rage might be the devil behind TMS symptoms, but I also relate much more to FEAR. The fear, and the fear of fear, which is much worse. Pain in itself, I handle pretty well. As long as the reason is logical and understandable. "This is going to hurt..." That kind of pain; no problem. The unbearable kind comes out of the blue and waxes and wanes with no apparent reason and doesn't seem to improve no matter what one does. And when this symptom mysteriously disappears, one lives in fear of its return.
Thanks for the posting from the pastor. Though I'm an agnostic, the bulk of his message makes sense. |
| art |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 09:40:39
Hi Wavy,
I'm always interested in fear-based models. In my case fear makes at least as much sense as rage. Perhaps it's any "negative" emotion. Yesterday, the instant I began to think my little dog might be lost (he wasn't :-), my foot began to throb. A few hours later, the instant I began to feel anger at my wife, the throbbing began again. These things happen much too often to me to be called coincidence.
Here's something else....I notice that as soon as I prepare to go for a run, my "over-use injury" du jour often ratchets up it's pain intensity. No doubt this is because I'm feeling fear and anxiety. "Is it really TMS?" Am I going to make it worse?" Am I going to cripple myself?" " Am I insane for running when I'm in such pain?" :>)
I wonder it spiritually advanced people who presumably have their emotional house in better order than many of us, have fewer physical difficulties...I'm guessing they do.
Too bad I'm never going to be spiritually advanced :>)
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| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 07:55:21
Just this morning got FEAR OF PAIN: Part 2. You can subscribe to his newsletter. This is especially about TMS, allergies, etc.
Matthew 6:25 "Therefore I say unto you, take no thought." The keyword is thought. Fear projected into the future involves thought. You can be programmed to fear. Your body will respond when you cross the parameters of the territorial rights of what that fear represents. When you are subjected to one of your stressors too long or you come in contact with that forbidden item, your heart starts to race, especially in the allergic reactions. When you are exposed to it, there it is, growling at you: "I am here, what you going to do with me?" "Oh no!" You panic and your mind remembers the reaction from last time.
Your mind may remember anaphylaxis; it may remember catatonia; it may remember brain fog; it may remember prickling of skin; it may remember pain; it may remember blotches; it may remember burning of the skin; and the fatigue. All of a sudden you are bombarded with what that thing represents to you physiologically. As your respiratory rate increases, the cardiac muscles start to expand and contract and you start to breathe harder. You go from the fear into the panic stage, you start to breathe harder and harder, you start to lose your breath, then you start looking for your oxygen because you cannot catch your breath.
What your doctor may not have told you, is that you have just stepped across the threshold into something called hyperventilation; rapid breathing. You are not aware of it because you are preoccupied with your stressor and the reactions. Fear and more fear. Like begets like. Now you are focused on the reality of your reactions. The carbon dioxide in your lungs is not being exhaled like it needs to be. The oxygen is not getting into your lungs because that is what happens in hyperventilation.
At this point, low-grade carbon dioxide poisoning begins, which is what oxygen starvation is. When your bloodstream picks up the blood of your lungs, it also wants the oxygen but there is none. The first part of the body to receive oxygen is the brain. The brain says, "Get the oxygen" but there is no oxygen there. When you do not have oxygen for your brain cells, you have fuzziness of thinking, you have disorientation, you feel confused, you feel like you are losing your mind, you feel like you are going crazy, you cannot think right. You start to lose it, you feel faint, and you think you are going to pass out, you are looking for oxygen and all of a sudden - panic moves in. That is an allergic reaction. When you get the oxygen, you take a breath. But what took your oxygen away from you in the first place? Fear. Fear is a triggering force in the mind-body connection.
When that fear, or what it has put into your mind long-term, sets into motion a wide range of neurological and hormonal reactions, then it is fight or flight. God created us with that fight or flight as part of our creation in a basic stage. The devil takes the fear originated in the alarm stage and perverts it into a long-term anxiety; the resistance stage. This is how he has programmed us with a fallacy. He is a liar, a deceiver. His name Satan means deceiver. He is a master of deception, manipulation and control. He manipulates your response by deceiving you with a lie about the level of danger he wants you to think you have been exposed to. "]
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 07/04/2010 : 15:11:34
Hey Wavy & Luv to Sew,
Nice to see you both on here..:)) Happy 4th!
Just wanted to thank you Wavy, this is wonderful reading!
Hugs,
Karen |
| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 07/02/2010 : 18:48:37
Hi,
I got his book long ago, I beleive in most of it, esp. the fear, anger, unforgiveness stuff, and esp. quilt,
I do believe its easier for God to forgive us than it is for us to forgive ourselves sometimes.
I also believe the 7 deadly sins are bad for our health, lust, greed, sloth, envy, gluttony, pride and anger.
I do read the bible, I do not believe so much in the generational curses he talks about.
but I agree that fear means lack of faith, one can't have both.
Its a very good book and worth reading. I'm a Christian so I do believe sin draws us further and further away from God, and opens the door for Satan to take hold.
I do not believe all diesease and structual problems are from sin tho, some are from accidents and truama.
I find this an interesting topic, as we all know people who are dishonest and lustful, cheats, and prideful, selfish and they just seem to have money and health, I think maybe that is because they do not have a conscious, whereas most of us do so sin takes a toll on the people who are aware of their sins but continue on that path.
God gave us freewill, and I don't believe God gives us disease, but we give it to ourself due to quilt because we know whats right or wrong.
oh i ramble, thats enough. sorry . |
| saralou |
Posted - 06/28/2010 : 01:48:59
thanks for posting very interesting..i def think that we can make organic pain worse by being stressed...think thats whats happening to me with my teeth..i can feel them hurting more when i get upset or stressed...
sara |
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