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| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 04/16/2010 : 04:03:50
is recovery inc. the opposite of Tms, sounds like recoveryy inc. is more about not getting angry, or saying things, and tms work is more about letting your thoughts and feelings out.
just wonder if anyone here goes to recovery inc. |
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| catspine |
Posted - 05/01/2010 : 06:02:10
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Personally, I view with high skepticism the words of anyone who insists on stating their own opinions as if they were undisputed facts backed up by scientific evidence, especially someone who less than four months ago, was looking for the same answers as everyone else suffering from TMS symptoms.
It is one thing to be confident in one's beliefs, and another to evangelize them, dismiss alternative viewpoints, and act as an expert.
Hi Dave
I happen to post here often until recently and came to the forum about 4 months ago. I was looking for answers about Tms to complete my knowledge and use it and often enough found some of these answers to be very helpful thanks to the diversity of the opinions and theories and techniques presented here . I’m confident in my beliefs and I did insist on stating a particular fact when I was acting as an expert mentioning the words and teachings of one at least in regard of one of Patils’s view point (and I may have done it in other occasion but this is a forum isn’t it ) and of course you have no way to know what my expertise really is unless I told you .
Anybody can see now that I match the profile of anyone you’re very skeptical of but how could you not be if you never even asked a single question about what I mentioned. I did not understand that of the evangelicalism part as I do not belong to the Christian faith which I do respect as I do any other faith. I feel you‘re mistaking about my intention here.
Also I do not remember getting negative feedback from other members about anything like that so far. Anybody can disregard the confident statements I made if they feel it’s too much for them but I’ll have no problem backing it up with evidence if necessary or provide more about the subject if there is an interest.
Chances are I was the target of your comment so please feel free to name me directly from now on if you mean to tell me something. I read the policy for the forum before signing in and do my best to act accordingly and responsibly. I do not believe that I did something which goes against it. Far from dismissing other theories I remember recommending in several earlier posts in favor of diversity.
Often and again I thankfully express my gratitude to people who were kind enough to share their experience in your forum or in helpful material, be it Dr Sarno or other specialists in the field of medicine or controversial members or authentic healers sharing ancient wisdom and experience from one generation to the next or other members w/o expertise other than their own painful experience.
Like many I’ve suffered long enough to learn fast by necessity when presented with the opportunity and I try not to forget the helpful ways. One way to do this is by teaching it to others who may need it. Unless you object to that as the moderator of this forum I can see some benefits to doing that here .
As far as skepticism or confidence is concerned I think both are necessary at some point in the process of healing and are definitely not incompatible as long as it is used constructively.
I am grateful I get a chance to read and post here so thank you again for the opportunity. In the context I was simply trying to explain something to Patils he was maybe not aware of and it is not a trend in itself although you seem to think it is. This is unfortunate as it generated a reply I was not particularly inclined to write if I had not felt that there was some kind of a misunderstanding here that had to be cleared.
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The reconditioning process is far more important than understanding the scientific details of how it all works.
I agree with that but why couldn't we have the best of both worlds?
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| Dave |
Posted - 04/19/2010 : 14:03:00
Personally, I view with high skepticism the words of anyone who insists on stating their own opinions as if they were undisputed facts backed up by scientific evidence, especially someone who less than four months ago, was looking for the same answers as everyone else suffering from TMS symptoms.
It is one thing to be confident in one's beliefs, and another to evangelize them, dismiss alternative viewpoints, and act as an expert.
Nobody, not even Dr. Sarno, understands the true nature of the mind-body connection. The potential for discussion and debate is limitless. In the end, all us poor humans can do is put things into terms we can understand. Those terms are likely insufficient to describe what is really going on inside us.
All of this intellectualizing and analysis misses the point. One thing is for sure: our emotions are the key to all this, and it comes from the most primitive part of our brain, the least evolved part, the part that doesn't play by the "rules" of our rational, intelligent side.
The good news is, understanding the details is not important. If you accept the mind can cause physical symptoms then you're halfway there. The rest is up to you. Dr. Sarno provides one path. If you find another that works, that's great. Ultimately it is about a life long change in the way you think about and react to physical symptoms. The reconditioning process is far more important than understanding the scientific details of how it all works. |
| catspine |
Posted - 04/17/2010 : 05:31:41
Patils
Please read carefully this is from the Wikipedia article you posted:
...whereas anxiety is the result of threats that are perceived to be uncontrollable or unavoidable.[3]
Anxiety is the result that 's what it says.
Threats are the cause of the tension, anxiety is not because it's the result of it .
Here' s another one :
Anxiety is considered to be a normal reaction to stress. (Same article Wikipedia you pasted in the same post).
Stress is tension at least that's what it says in the English dictionary and here again anxiety is a reaction to it not the other way around.
I 'm puzzled by the fact that you managed to get pain free 100% How did you achieve that if you don't understand what you read ? |
| patils |
Posted - 04/17/2010 : 02:43:35
Anxiety
From Wikipedia,
Anxiety is a psychological and physiological state characterized by cognitive, somatic, emotional, and behavioral components.[2] These components combine to create an unpleasant feeling that is typically associated with uneasiness, apprehension, fear, or worry. Anxiety is a generalized mood condition that can often occur without an identifiable triggering stimulus. As such, it is distinguished from fear, which occurs in the presence of an observed threat. Additionally, fear is related to the specific behaviors of escape and avoidance, whereas anxiety is the result of threats that are perceived to be uncontrollable or unavoidable.[3]
Another view is that anxiety is "a future-oriented mood state in which one is ready or prepared to attempt to cope with upcoming negative events"[4] suggesting that it is a distinction between future vs. present dangers that divides anxiety and fear. Anxiety is considered to be a normal reaction to stress. It may help a person to deal with a difficult situation, for example at work or at school, by prompting one to cope with it. When anxiety becomes excessive, it may fall under the classification of an anxiety disorder.[5]
Question you people ask and conclude is anxiety is result and not cause.
Fact is this is wrong. Anxiety is the only cause for this sustained tension and all the symptoms you are facing. At the core you are having sinking negative feeling ( anxiety )and not happy.
You all agree that you have pain and then tension and then anxiety.
This was only initially when we have slip disk or something like that.
But why symptoms have continuid ? because of what happened after the pain and how you reacted to pain after initial injury.
Your continuid reaction to pain has resulted into negativity and fear and result is stress and anxiety.
And now initial injury has healed and there is only anxiety and only you are fueling this cycle by your reaction.
In simple way , stop reaction to symptoms and body will take care of normalising all symptoms and you will break this cycle.
There is really great need to go deeper into symptoms of anxiety disorders to resolve all this mental conflict.
Two most important books are :
Hope and help for your Nevers by weeks.
Mental health through Will training by Low.
And just do not read and enjoy. There is great need to practise what they are saying.
Sachin
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| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 04/16/2010 : 16:45:54
Patils,
Glad to hear your better. I started with pain about 4 years ago when a dentist decided to change my bite, (before that minor aches through-out my life, and I'm 55,
so I can say my pain started first , then tension and now anxiety, anxiety due to the pain and change in life style.
PS: Actually I read Low book due to your recommendation. I see you don't believe in Sarno's , so hey whatever works , glad you found your answer. |
| sborthwick |
Posted - 04/16/2010 : 14:13:36
Patils,
Did you recover using Claire Weeks and Abraham Low.
I actually recovered from my Excruciating TMS sciatic pain (had for 12 years) by using Sarno's distraction theory. It worked perfectly.
I still unfortunately was left with the anxious feelings.
I find it harder to ignore my anxious thoughts than I did to ignore the pain. It is much harder. The thoughts are so enticing and seem so real. |
| catspine |
Posted - 04/16/2010 : 13:43:23
Patils
I'm sorry to say but you got the order wrong: First there is tension and then comes the anxiety . You can not have anxiety or fear if there is no tension in your body already. If you don't believe me just try to think of your worst fear while there is no tension ... the result is: it doesn't work. The fear doesn't get a grip on you.
Anxiety just perpetuates the tension and maintains it. it's an effect not a cause.
Good to hear you managed to get pain free .
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| Dave |
Posted - 04/16/2010 : 11:30:55
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Originally posted by patils
All muscle tensions are manifestation of anxiety. Be assured about this.
Really, so you're an expert now after what, a few months?
I'm glad you found a solution that works for you. However, your evangelical posts cast your opinions as if they were undisputed facts from an medical professional.
Everyone needs to take their own path to recovery and not rely on any messages from any forum to tell them the ultimate "truth" because there is no such thing. |
| patils |
Posted - 04/16/2010 : 05:49:55
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Originally posted by LuvtoSew
is recovery inc. the opposite of Tms, sounds like recoveryy inc. is more about not getting angry, or saying things, and tms work is more about letting your thoughts and feelings out.
just wonder if anyone here goes to recovery inc.
Your posting count is 250 and you are still stuck.
I doubt there is disease like TMS/ RSI. It is just anxiety.
I have all the symptome which people are mentioning here and I recovered 100 % when I addressed anxiety.
All muscle tensions are manifestation of anxiety. Be assured about this.
You have to come to conclusion that symptoms are harmless and then only you can ignore symptoms. Without convencing you cannot accept that symptoms are harmless and ignore them.
Address anxiety and become free.
Accept -- Carry on. Accept -- Carry on. Accept -- Carry on.
You may fail many times during this process but this is the way.
Every reaction to symptoms will bring you back to original point.
Sachin
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