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| Darko |
Posted - 03/08/2010 : 15:57:46
Hi all,
Been a long time since I last posted, have been struggling for over a year now. Looking to see if anyone else is having the same issue I do. I don't really suffer from pain during the day, and I live my life in a completely pain free way. However I wake every night between 2-5am in pain. I have tried all sorts of things, and I've had results but for some reason I end up back here. I'm soooo tired and depression is taking over my life. I really lose my zest for life at times. This latest round started when I quit my job to start my own business, my guess is the stress about money is the cause. Before that I was almost completely pain free. What I have been currently working on is to remain present and detach from the chatterbox, and also working on my faith.......understand that everything I need will be provided (I'm not religious, am spiritual) However this alone doesn't seem to be yielding the results I'm looking for. I have not been writing as I found that didn't do a great deal for me. Hmmm as I'm writing this now I'm thinking it could be anger. Any suggestions would be appreciated. |
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| Peg |
Posted - 03/09/2010 : 06:07:01
Hi Darko,
I give you a lot of credit for having the courage and strength to start your own business. Many people would stay at a job that was less than ideal just out of fear of the unknown. I hope things go very well for you.
When you mentioned your focus on lack, it made me think of a book you may find helpful, The Power of The Subconscious Mind, by Joseph Murphy, Ph.D., D.D.
Best,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
| gav |
Posted - 03/09/2010 : 04:16:37
Darko,
You really hit the nail on the head there.
When I first learned about TMS I was working so hard on repudiating the physical syptoms that I became obsessed with it. I actually had trouble sleeping for quite a few nights and the initial relief I felt was replaced with more intense burning in my arms. I read a lot of posts by HellNY and Skizzik and they made me realise that I just needed to be almost zen like and just let it go. Desiring it to go won't do anything, ignoring it and just living your life will.
I would also say anytime you say "if only I wasn't tired I could do this" you should DEFINITELY do that thing. Unless you are falling asleep at the wheel, is there that much that can go wrong from being tired? I don't know, I can't think of too much. |
| Darko |
Posted - 03/09/2010 : 00:40:39
Jerica,
I have no doubt it's related to me starting my business, subconsciously I probably feel insecure and not in control and these things are perfect for generating anger. I am also suffering which contributes to the condition. Pain is inevitable but suffering is a choice........I will just have to learn to be ok with not being in control of everything and not knowing how things will happen. I think they call it faith :-)
Cheers |
| Darko |
Posted - 03/09/2010 : 00:23:56
Gav,
thanks for the post....interesting topic! I guess I have been carrying on a bit because I feel so tired and make a big deal out it perhaps this is actually keeping me in this TMS pattern. I see it as such a negative that this view could be the very thing my mind is using to distract me.........the cheeky little ****e that it is. The pay off I'm getting for all this night time waking up is that I can use being tired as an excuse. I say things like "If I could just start sleeping better than I can do this or that" Hmmmmmm We could be onto something here because the straight physical symptoms don't really work on me, but the lack of sleep really messes up my chi. Ok so tonight if I wake up I'll just get up and do stuff, If I'm going to be tired I might as well make the most of it and journal or something, right........Bring it on! Thanks for the advice Gav |
| jerica |
Posted - 03/08/2010 : 22:43:18
Darko it sounds to me like it is TMS since it began when you left your job and started your own business. That's a huge undertaking and while it's a great positive thing, it's change and change hurts sometimes even when it's a good change. I started having really bad chest pains and all sorts of symptoms the week after I started a new job and then had a huge argument with a family member about money. Now I was happy to have the new job because it meant more money and nicer people, but it was scary and overwhelming for a while until I found my groove in it.
I've had bouts of night problems in the past. Years ago I was having this awful night waking in a panic and for about 2 or 3 weeks I was having panic when trying to go to sleep. Every night the same thing at the same time. It eventually worked itself out. I can't remember what I was doing at the time since it was so many years ago but I have these times where weird night stuff will just happen frequently and then disappear!
I hope you get to feeling better soon. Good luck with your new business as well:) |
| gav |
Posted - 03/08/2010 : 21:56:56
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Originally posted by gav
Hi Darko,
I see you are in Australia, me too.
I would suggest a different approach to what hopeacres has said, maybe you can try both and see what works for you.
When you wake up I think you just have to ignore the pain and attach no significance to it. Try to go back to sleep, but if you can't, get up and do some work on the computer. Maybe reply to some emails, work on your business, or just play computer games, watch tv, whatever. When you feel tired, go back to bed, but don't sweat it if you don't, you just got an extra headstart on the day.
To be honest, waking up from 2-5 am from my perspective doesn't really seem like a big deal and you should treat it as such. Don't feed the tms, just do whatever the heck you want.
I met a lady in Japan who slept 3 hours every night and only ate 1 meal a day. I am not saying this is ideal, but it shows that the human body is capable of a lot and a lack of sleep shouldn't ruin your life.
Anyway, my 2 cents.
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| gav |
Posted - 03/08/2010 : 21:54:29
Hi Darko,
I see you are in Australia, me too.
I would suggest a different approach to what hopeacres has said, maybe you can try both and see what works for you.
When you wake up I think you just have to ignore the pain and attach no significance to it. Try to go back to sleep, but if you can't get up and do some work on the computer. Maybe reply to some emails, work on your business, or just play computer games, watch tv, whatever. When you feel tired, go back to bed, but don't sweat it if you don't, you just got an extra headstart on the day.
To be honest, waking up from 2-5 am from my perspective doesn't really seem like a big deal and you should treat it as such. Don't feed the tms, just do whatever the heck you want.
I met a lady in Japan who slept 3 hours every night and only ate 1 meal a day. I am not saying this is ideal, but it shows that the human body is capable of a lot and a lack of sleep shouldn't ruin your life.
Anyway, my 2 cents. |
| Darko |
Posted - 03/08/2010 : 19:57:46
Hopeacres, thank you so much for you reply, and well wishes! I have spent most of the morning looking at this as obviously I'm NOT doing the right thing to ease my suffering right now. I will take up writing again based on what you said. What is the best way to write, consciously or unconsciously? I think I've had better results from just free writing so I'll give that a go again. An interesting thing happened recently I thought I should add. I've been low on cash flow for a while now as I'm getting my own business up and running, but we decided to do on holiday. I said to hell with it, I will go and enjoy myself and not worry about the money, I know I'll make the cash when I get back so it'll be fine. Well for the first five days I relaxed enjoyed myself and had some of the best sleep in a long time. Once I started thinking about things again the pain started. I can't seem to get back to the pain free stage again even though I try not to worry about money. It's a difficult thing when your mind obsesses about an issue it has.....for me it's a bit of lack mentality. I just fear not having enough and this I feel is a major cause of pain for me......the funny thing is I have plenty, but the mind continues to be obsess......joy! |
| hopeacres |
Posted - 03/08/2010 : 16:23:34
Hi Darko,
One of my TMS symptoms is Restless Leg Syndrome and it 'strikes' right on the same hour almost every night... unfortunately in the middle of the night keeping me awake for hours at a time.
I took Dr. Schubiner's program and he said any pain that comes on at the same time each day or night without a real reason is certainly TMS (Dr. Schubiner prefers MBS - Mind, Body Syndrome). Dr. Schubiner suggested I begin to write down what I was stressed out before going to bed, sit with the feelings that my writing brought up, do deep breathing then envision releasing these issues to deal with come morning.
I am spiritual as well so I would envision giving the issues that weighed on my heart into the capable hands of God. :)
For six months I wrote consistently; not just at night but in the morning too. Dr. Schubiner's program requires a lot of writing. I am not one of those people that had instant results. I felt worse for the first few months of doing the writing. Then one day things began to change... slowly at first. The bladder pain began subside for longer periods of time, the intestines were completely normal and one day I realized with a start that the restless leg had not awakened me for over a week! I was so excited!
After the Holidays I got out of my writing routine and have had trouble making my time a priority. Guess what? I am waking up with restless leg again!
Writing is hard and it takes a lot of time plus causes me to face things that I did not know were even buried in my subconscious. Yet, I have personally experienced miraculous, if you will, results after writing consistently along with mentally feeding on truth rather than negative, toxic thinking.
I pray for total healing and recovery for you. No more restless nights; only nights of blissful, refreshing sleep.
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