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| patils |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 04:42:40
Dear All,
Can somebody explain me why pain is there only after sitting on computer. From Where it is cooming ? It comes only after sitting in front of computer.
I am feeling some weakness after sitting on PC in upper body. and I always have neck pain, which starts within 20 min after sitting on PC.
1) WIll this pain will go away completely ?
2) what should be our strategy for facing computer pain as simultanousely we have to work too. And pain diverts our mind.
3) There is always some strange feeling in both the legs after sitting on computer. Why and what is this ?
4)I know pain will go away within 20 minutes if I get out from PC. What is going wrong after sitting on PC ?
5) I have worked on myself since last six month and my consciousness is so pure and I am feeling content and blissful. Still why this pain is bothering me ?
6) All my fear of pain has gone and I have pain but I no more suffer. Really I am now enjoying this pain. So strange and yet so powerful.
7) I want to get rid of this pain completely. Because it diverts my concentration. And gives me very grossy feel.
Only solution I am seeing is increase my willpower and throw this garbage out.
Computer related Pain is common symptoms here and all your answers will be useful to all RSI related TMS people.
I am really seeking answers from experts who have overcome computer related RSI pain.
Thanks in Advance.
Sachin |
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| DrGUID |
Posted - 03/29/2010 : 08:24:43
Yeah, I got rid of my RSI as well. I had somehow conditioned myself to fear using a computer - even touching a keyboard was painful!
I have now unconditioned this and I was so successful that I conditioned myself to play a games console for hours every night without pain. |
| Gibbon |
Posted - 03/20/2010 : 02:04:32
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Originally posted by dtes87
I thought TMS in RSI was bull at first but no longer do. I used to have crippling tendonitis in my right hand for the longest time which I developed due to overtyping in a bad position for months on end and ignoring the pain. Well 3 years later, I still had a "bad" hand. Im only 22 and would always struggle in school to write papers and stuff.
But since Ive been battling a lot of emotional sstuff lately, Ive totally forgotten about my hands and lo and behold, for the past 4 months Ive typed pain free. Granted I happened to not use the computer as much, but still...pain free after 3 years of paranoia and careful tending to of my hand. Its really true-stop friggin paying attention to it, and it will cease. Its like a mild itch-focus on it and it will mentally destroy you and you will physically be bound to it-but if you can just shrug it off, it'll soon be nothing.
RSI seems to be one of the most common manifestations of TMS - it's amazing how many people say exactly the same thing. In my case I think it was the obsession with the symptoms that gradually got me more and more debilitated. I still get mild discomfort sometimes after typing a lot, but it's now in the same category as the mild discomfort i get in an old knee injury - something which has no impact on my life....
dtes87, can you write up a success story? I think it's really important that TMS recoveries get as many as possible - you could help change someone's life!
Check out the TMS website: www.rsi-backpain.co.uk |
| dtes87 |
Posted - 03/19/2010 : 21:37:41
I thought TMS in RSI was bull at first but no longer do. I used to have crippling tendonitis in my right hand for the longest time which I developed due to overtyping in a bad position for months on end and ignoring the pain. Well 3 years later, I still had a "bad" hand. Im only 22 and would always struggle in school to write papers and stuff.
But since Ive been battling a lot of emotional sstuff lately, Ive totally forgotten about my hands and lo and behold, for the past 4 months Ive typed pain free. Granted I happened to not use the computer as much, but still...pain free after 3 years of paranoia and careful tending to of my hand. Its really true-stop friggin paying attention to it, and it will cease. Its like a mild itch-focus on it and it will mentally destroy you and you will physically be bound to it-but if you can just shrug it off, it'll soon be nothing. |
| Gibbon |
Posted - 03/19/2010 : 15:31:09
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Originally posted by patils
100 % GONE.
May all be Happy and Healthy everywhere.
Sachin
Yay 
Check out the TMS website: www.rsi-backpain.co.uk |
| patils |
Posted - 03/19/2010 : 10:36:33
No Pain.... Divine Bliss.
Listen and Follow....... Hilliby, if you want real freedom from pain.
Sachin
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| patils |
Posted - 03/05/2010 : 03:54:49
100 % GONE.
May all be Happy and Healthy everywhere.
Sachin
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| patils |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 22:56:50
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Originally posted by Dave
quote:
Originally posted by patils
Regarding Sarno's theory, I doubt his distraction theory that subconsciousness mind distracting us in the form of pain. How it can be ? May be it is just assumption ?
This is a source of frequent debate. I choose to view Dr. Sarno's explanation as a metaphor. Others choose to completely disregard the 'distraction' theory.
Personally, I choose to trust a medical doctor who has been treating thousands of real patients for nearly 4 decades and has formulated a theory based on these clinical experiences. As someone who has no medical training or experience, it would be arrogant of me to suggest that I know better than Dr. Sarno.
The distraction theory is successful because it works, plain and simple. People recover when they learn about TMS and put it in these terms. Others take a different path, and maybe some of them recover as well, but Dr. Sarno has the benefit of the doubt in my mind.
I believe that if you go too far down the path of questioning and doubting the details of Dr. Sarno's theory, it is counterproductive to recovery. The bottom line is it doesn't matter. The treatment is exactly the same whether or not you believe in the "distraction theory." So why waste your time over-analyzing and thinking about this. Just do the work.
Dave,
This I 100 % agree.
What does it matter to patients. It will be waste of time and as you say may become hinderance to recovery.
We have go on ignoring and keep working.
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| Dave |
Posted - 02/22/2010 : 09:21:05
quote:
Originally posted by patils
Regarding Sarno's theory, I doubt his distraction theory that subconsciousness mind distracting us in the form of pain. How it can be ? May be it is just assumption ?
This is a source of frequent debate. I choose to view Dr. Sarno's explanation as a metaphor. Others choose to completely disregard the 'distraction' theory.
Personally, I choose to trust a medical doctor who has been treating thousands of real patients for nearly 4 decades and has formulated a theory based on these clinical experiences. As someone who has no medical training or experience, it would be arrogant of me to suggest that I know better than Dr. Sarno.
The distraction theory is successful because it works, plain and simple. People recover when they learn about TMS and put it in these terms. Others take a different path, and maybe some of them recover as well, but Dr. Sarno has the benefit of the doubt in my mind.
I believe that if you go too far down the path of questioning and doubting the details of Dr. Sarno's theory, it is counterproductive to recovery. The bottom line is it doesn't matter. The treatment is exactly the same whether or not you believe in the "distraction theory." So why waste your time over-analyzing and thinking about this. Just do the work. |
| patils |
Posted - 02/20/2010 : 22:03:24
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Originally posted by mala
It's great that you are feeling so much better. Is there anything that really helped you that you could share with us.
What helped me ?
Really speaking I helped myself by Acceptance and Meditation.
Thanks Dave for your all answers. We all are really greatful to you for making this forum possible and accessible to all.
Regarding Sarno's theory, I doubt his distraction theory that subconsciousness mind distracting us in the form of pain. How it can be ? May be it is just assumption ?
However I agree that overloaded subscinious can be cause of this pain. I am getting frequent dreams and that too in deep sleep. This indicates subsciniousness mind is really loaded. So to say that TMS is just anxiety symptoms is also incorrect.
Ashok Gupta's explanation of CFS seems very correct and our intellect can easily understand this.
And also Hilliby's post have greately helped me. I have applied all techniques that he has mentioned in almost 200 posts. They too are really great asset for understanding symptoms and how to deal with it.
I will let you know by end of week further progress. Fear is still there.
May all be happy and healthy.
Sachin
When all Medicine fails, Meditation will help.
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| Dave |
Posted - 02/20/2010 : 12:04:33
quote:
Originally posted by patils
Can somebody explain me why pain is there only after sitting on computer.
This is conditioning and is a powerful part of TMS. You experience symptoms you expect. Your brain is clever and tries to give you symptoms you will believe as physical and that will serve as a successful distraction.
quote:
1) WIll this pain will go away completely ?
Maybe, but you shouldn't care. Just do the work and take a long-term view and accept the pain will fade over time.
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2) what should be our strategy for facing computer pain as simultanousely we have to work too.
All you can do is ignore it as best you can and reinforce your belief that the pain is TMS and not due to structural issues.
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5) I have worked on myself since last six month and my consciousness is so pure and I am feeling content and blissful. Still why this pain is bothering me ?
The conditioning process took a lifetime to build and it will take time to go away. Have faith in the process. As long as the pain is no longer generating fear or consuming your thoughts, then you are winning.
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Really I am now enjoying this pain. So strange and yet so powerful.
This is a good attitude. The pain is benign. Continue to reinforce the belief that the pain is not due to anything physically wrong with you, and it sill subside over time.
Continue to explore the repressed feelings that are feeding the TMS process. Keep trying to explore the "ugly" emotions that you may not want to admit are festering inside you. These "forbidden" emotions are hard to accept because we don't want to feel them, but it is important to try.
It seems that you are on the right track. Try your best not to be concerned about how bad the pain is, why it comes, or when it will go away. Do not pay them any attention to it at all. Continue to diffuse the power of the symptoms. Over time they will fade on thier own. |
| mala |
Posted - 02/20/2010 : 04:41:05
Hi Sachin,
It's great that you are feeling so much better. Is there anything that really helped you that you could share with us.
Thanks
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala |
| patils |
Posted - 02/20/2010 : 04:06:38
Hi All,
I am really doing great.
I am sitting on PC for almost daily 5-6 hours without much disturbance.
I am becomming calm day by day and almost in bliss. I expect that by the end of next week, I will be 100 % pain free.
Sachin. |
| HilaryN |
Posted - 01/28/2010 : 11:29:06
Whoopee!
Hilary N |
| patils |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 08:37:17
No Pain today.
Seems Successed in breaking pain cycle.
Sachin |
| HilaryN |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 08:11:49
Bhushan,
It's good to see you back and great to see you are now completely better.
Sachin, Bhushan, I've created a TMS in India page on the TMS wiki.
How would you feel about new TMS-ers from India being able to contact you for encouragement? No need to display your email address - if you join the wiki (click the yellow Sign Up button on any wiki page) then I could put a link on the page so people can contact you via the wiki.
Bhushan, I've also added your Success Story to the Repetitive Strain Injuries Page
Hilary N |
| patils |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 21:58:38
Thanks All.
yogaluz says :
Do I dislike my work and if so, in which ways?
Yes man. I Really love my work and like computer too. My job is so relaxing and ( very less work ) and I cannot emagine that I can leave this job. But because of this pain, I am not able to grow in my field so have frequet thoughts for changing job etc.
catspine says :
You may also study your body language while using the PC to see if it reveals something else that you haven't thought of yet.
I dont not think body language and postures has anything to do with RSI or TMS.
Hilary N says :
Regarding breaking the pain/fear cycle, ideally you would work at the computer each day for a time LESS than that for which you get any symptoms - then very gradually build it up.
So in your case, maybe work for 15 minutes a day if that won't bring on symptoms. Then after a week, maybe increase by 3-5 minutes. If you increase too quickly and get symptoms, drop down again to a manageable level and slowly increase again.
This is the fatal mistake I committed during my recovery. I attacked so badly to TMS and get bounced back with pain multiplied 100 times. I might have approached in very subtle and gradual way. Will implement this from today only.
Bhushan says :
Coming to one of your specific question: My suggestion is to take some time off from work (but not from working on computer) and then work on breaking the pain association cycle. I took about 1 month off from work since I realised that applying all the mind body principles will not be possible in a work place where I have deep pain related associations already.
This seems very true. We should not attack so badly to TMS.
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| bhushan |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 16:57:09
Hi Sachin,
I can relate to what you are going through as I had passed through the same face in my battle against 'RSI'. I am now completely pain free and have been working long hours on a laptop (sometime even 14-16 hours) for >12 months with no discomfort.
Sometimes, I am still amazed that all of my RSI related pain of more than 5 years went away in 2 months of following Dr. Sarno's approach.
Coming to one of your specific question: My suggestion is to take some time off from work (but not from working on computer) and then work on breaking the pain association cycle. I took about 1 month off from work since I realised that applying all the mind body principles will not be possible in a work place where I have deep pain related associations already.
As I wrote earlier, take break from work but NOT from typing or using computer. During my off time, I used to have daily targets for typing, mouse usage etc and used to religiously note down all my progress. Noting down progress gives you a lot of confidence as well. While doing so I kept telling myself that computers do not hurt. After all, if there is physical pain why does it come only when using a computer (Which is the case with you as well).
You may also want to follow what I did. Standard disclaimers apply and also, I noted that you wrote '95% recovered'. If that is true, well I think it is just a matter of time while the remaining pain association also goes away. It took me some time to overcome office related pain association despite being 100% pain free in non-workplace context. Most important thing is not to give up, please don't even think of moving to non-computer job. As you can see, so many people (like me) have recovered from RSI and continue to work on computers.
Thanks
Bhushan
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| yogaluz |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 13:54:34
Sachin,
I do not suffer from RSI but if I did, I would be asking myself the following:
Do I dislike my work and if so, in which ways?
Do I resent working period? An example of this might be that you were burdened with a lot of responsibility when you were young and now feel resentment at never having anyone to lean on. Perhaps you'd like someone else to help with expenses. Again, this is just an example.
Is there something in the environment where my computer is (besides the computer) that bothers me (i.e. obnoxious co-workers, messy house, etc.).?
Do you absolutely love being on the computer? If so, RSI may be a means of keeping you from using the computer as a distraction to other things going on in your life. No offense, but I'm a bit leery of someone saying they've managed to bliss out over the period of six months. If that's the case, congratulations but perhaps there are still some issues that need to be dealt with. Meditation is an amazing technique but it can also be an escape for some people. Watch that for yourself.
Anyway, hope that helps. Be well. |
| catspine |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 12:37:31
Sachin
You may have read this already but I posted this reply on the wrong topic the last time and maybe you missed it, sorry.
In order to eliminate this possibility I assume you know all there is to know about posture and set up while using a computer so the next question is what is the trigger?
Whatever your need to use a computer for must generate an emotion that you tend to repress consciously or not .
In order to find out I would simply use a simple trick such as typing for a period of time that usually leads to pain but without turning it on or if it's on without going on line and then see what happens... It may sound silly but it could tell you a few things for example:
If you develop the pain after using it while being offline you will know that it does not have anything to do with interacting with other people
If you type while the machine is turned off you will know that it does not have anything to do with actually accomplishing something with the machine.
and if you turn it back on and the pain comes back , Bingo! you'll be one step further with maybe some new questions...
You may also study your body language while using the PC to see if it reveals something else that you haven't thought of yet.
This was just an idea to discover the real trigger as I do not have experience with carpal tunnel syndromes so I hope you get something out of this unusual test. If it works you might be able to identify the emotion(s) more easily and work with it accordingly. Good luck.
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| HilaryN |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 11:00:09
Hi Sachin,
Thank you!
I'm not totally sure of this but I believe repressed emotions are emotions which we hid from ourselves in childhood as it wasn't safe for us to let them out then.
Regarding breaking the pain/fear cycle, ideally you would work at the computer each day for a time LESS than that for which you get any symptoms - then very gradually build it up.
So in your case, maybe work for 15 minutes a day if that won't bring on symptoms. Then after a week, maybe increase by 3-5 minutes. If you increase too quickly and get symptoms, drop down again to a manageable level and slowly increase again.
The key is to increase gradually.
By the way, I know another chap in India who is at a similar stage to you. Would you be interested in speaking to him? Drop me an email if you are interested.
Hilary N |
