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| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 20:40:51
I just sometimes wonder, I'm a Roman Catholic, and sometimes I feel this maybe a hindrance to getting better, although I know it shouldn't be, I mean I would never give up my beliefs, but you know it is best not to retaliate to hurt anyone or cause anyone pain, and of course we are not to harbor grudges or anger towards anyone. I know this is just being a good person, but the tongue is the most powerful weapon on earth..
there is someone who hurt me physically and although I know it was not intentional, she caused pain in two areas of my body, and two years later it is still there, and I have tried to forgive her and forget her but the pain in those places are still present.
I so much want to let her know how she caused me this physical pain, because I feel if I let her know-as you can tell it causes anger in me no matter how much I prayer to forgive her - that these pain areas would leave, as I can even see her face , but then I don't want her to have to live with the guilt in her life from hurting me , if you know what I mean.
Of course I beieve its better to be hurt , than to hurt, better to be stole from than to steal, etc.
So how do you deal with your Godly beliefs , and get better, without hurting anyone in the process.
Also there are times I would love to soemtimes just answere back to some rude person, but of course I just let it slide and be nice instead.
I don't know.
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| skizzik |
Posted - 10/27/2009 : 16:49:36
quote:
Originally posted by Baseball65
awareness of your own emotional constipation are the essential components to recovery.
-bb65
perhaps a mental laxitive would be in order to help relieve the pain |
| yogaluz |
Posted - 10/24/2009 : 17:35:47
"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding"
Having been raised with messages like these, TMS would be a hard thing to work with because your own understanding IS what will liberate you. You speak a lot of guilt and forgiveness. It sounds as though the chiro did something unintentional (hence the oops, sorry). What is there to forgive? There was apparently no malice there. If you felt she was negligently incompetent, did you file a claim or report the incident? If not, perhaps you had doubts about what actually occurred. I wouldn't hesitate to speak to this person and let her know the impact that event had on your life. She may have something to say that would change your perception entirely. At this point, I agree with what others have written.. your symptoms are no longer attributable to what happened with the chiro so dig a bit deeper.
I don't mean to be insensitive to your question it's just that if I were guided by religious faith, I would be very selective about the scripture I chose to absorb and also begin to trust my inner compass as well. Catholics believe we are all God's children, ergo you have divine power within yourself to be the creator and navigator of your own life. Taking back your personal power may be a difficult process but it may be what ultimately rids you of your symptoms....And I agree with baseball... we hedonistic pagans and atheists probably deal with TMS in equal measure. |
| Baseball65 |
Posted - 10/23/2009 : 19:32:41
You don't have to be a jerk to recover from TMS. You have to acknowledge to your innermost self that the pain is psychsomatic in origin and only exists to distract you from your unexpressed emotions.
I have met amoral hedonists (like myself) who suffer from it as well as Never-done-a-thing-wrong-in-their-life baptists (like my wife) who have it just as bad. I work for the Roman Catholic church and I can assure you it doesn't affect them in any greater numbers than the rest of the condemned population.
awareness of TMS and all of it's manifestations as well as awareness of your own emotional constipation are the essential components to recovery.
-bb65
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| 2scoops |
Posted - 10/21/2009 : 11:31:23
The fear of evil is common in Christians. They are afraid if they talk about what the enemy is doing, it will give him power. Christianity also thinks that if we ever speak of anything that's evil, we are giving it power in our lives. We don't want to talk about anything negative. So we have another type of fear. It's time to talk about it and not be afraid anymore of talking about the enemy.
In Hebrews, it says we should be able to handle strong meat, but we have to go back on milk because we are unskillful in the "Word." No, it doesn't say that. It says that he is unskillful in the word of righteousness. But strong meat belongs to those that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Hebrews 5:11-14 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
It is good to think on good things but Paul also taught us to not be ignorant of Satan's devices.
2 Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
Paul said through the law came the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
You cannot defeat something you have become one with as if it were you. You will not see it working in you if you think "it's just a negative emotion" or that "It's just a psychological defect." It's time to recognize that we are dealing with sin.
www.BeinHealth.com
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| Singer_Artist |
Posted - 10/13/2009 : 13:18:37
Wonderful post! Good to see this on here..I am also a Catholic and often wonder if on a deep level I believe I need to suffer! |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 10/12/2009 : 09:04:06
Brokenheart info.
http://www.journey2wholeness.org/heart.html |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 10/06/2009 : 13:18:36
I just ran across this interview with Dr. Mathias.
http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8687&news_iv_ctrl=0&abbr=rad_ |
| flutterby |
Posted - 09/04/2009 : 17:17:06
Have you come across 'The Pear Process', LuvtoSew?
It's a set of CDs that takes you through the process of -
- Expression of anger and grief
- Forgiveness
- Acceptance etc
and includes a relaxation procedure.
You can find more about it (and a discussion) on the TMS wiki- http://tmswiki.wetpaint.com/page/The+PEAR+Process
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| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 09/04/2009 : 07:07:40
Flutterby
Yes of course your right- there is a happy medium, just trying to make a joke I guess.
I do just need to forgive this lady chiro and forget and bless her and move on,
2 Scoops, Thanks for your post. I'm sure the semiar was really good.
Well I believe it comes down to doing what is right (in line with our spirtiual beliefs) , forgiving others and ourselves, confess and repent, having quilt and unforgivness , and not putting the past behind us, can destroy us. We need to live in the here and now, have trust and faith, and not fear the future.
That does not mean in my mind we need to be a doormat either, but we need to be assertive not agressive. |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 19:05:12
Ephesians 6:12 (King James Version)
12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
8Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Yes. I went to the seminar, and it was beneficial.
4Delight thyself also in the LORD: and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
18If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:
30A sound heart is the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.
1My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
2For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
3Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
4So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
8It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
6Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
18There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
13And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. |
| flutterby |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 17:25:38
LuvtoSew - surely there is third option, rather than being a suffering goodist/perfectionist (whether religion-induced or not) and being a painfree sociopath? The option I'm referring to is actually resolving your anger/resentment and therefore your guilt about your anger/resentment? |
| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 17:11:08
drziggles
You said "I would like to see a study addressing this, but I would imagine that sociopaths are much less likely to develop pain issues, because they have no guilt or need to please anyone but themselves"
I do believe your right. but I'm not willing to sell my soul to the devil and become a sociopath to be out of pain,,,,,,,,,,Ha Ha. |
| guej |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 12:28:05
I couldn't resist answering this one either. I'm the product of 12 years of Catholic school and a lifetime of Catholic guilt. Talk about being brought up to be a good little respectful girl. We weren't allowed to ever question authority figures, to answer back and stand up for ourselves, and we had to be "nice" to everyone because God was always watching. I've done enough self-analysis through journaling to see how that carried over to work, relationships, etc. I put up with so much crap at work that others would never have stood for. I was afraid to stand up for myself. I shoved so much resentment inside while I did what everyone asked of me, no matter how unreasonable. It's the perfect storm for a "goodist" personality. That's why I think I also respected whatever doctors told me (initially, anyway). You just didn't question authority! I'm not disavowing my religion by any means. I just can see now how that type of upbringing seems fine on the outside, but really festers on the inside of a person. |
| drziggles |
Posted - 09/03/2009 : 11:47:06
No mystery at all. People who are perfectionists and "goodists" develop these problems, and it would seem pretty obvious that being Catholic is a complete set up for that!
I would like to see a study addressing this, but I would imagine that sociopaths are much less likely to develop pain issues, because they have no guilt or need to please anyone but themselves.
And, after hearing your problem with the chiropractor, the actual event likely has nothing at all to do with your current problem, so it's time to let it go and figure out what the real issues are...
Once again, you should consult with your MD before making any medical decisions. |
| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 19:24:55
I was thinking tho , I know people that don't talk or want anything to do with a family member, a friend who hasn't spoke to her Mom in years and said never will, and people that gossip alot and want this and that and thier world revolves around their possessions, have affairs , and for some reason they are not in pain, so is it that
us people have guilt that causes our pain. they just go on their merry way and live happy go lucky lives , not really caring if they hurt other people or not. I mean I know some that could screw you out of money and feel great about it, and they aren't in pain.
So it must be our guilt and leads us to pain and then fear?
I don't know , it doessn't make sense. That guy that kidnapped that young girl and father two of her children doesn't seem to be in pain,
so its sure a mystery. |
| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 14:08:26
thank you all for your very good answers , I will check out the websites. I know I keep things inside and need to release them and what ever quilt I have and anger over what some people have done to me.
2 scoops- so you went to the seminar. The Catholic religion teaches the same, forgiveness and confession and repent and yes we believe in the Bible of course and I read the Bible daily. Of course we have the extra stuff that Christians don't agree with like mortal sin, not being married in church is living in sin, and etc. Like I'm not allowed to receive communion since we were married by a judge 23 years ago and 4 years ago we were going to get our marriage blessed, but I haven't been up to it.
I did take Rev. Wrights book out again, and he says the same thing, fear, envy, unforgiveness, bitterness, etc are all things that cause us pain and disease, and the biggy I feel is quilt. I think I'll reread his book.
Oh she had an electric activator and it was set on high impluse and she did it on my occipital bone on the side by my ear and said oophs,
well I still have that head pressue- constant, did go for a cat scan but it was normal. |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 09/01/2009 : 08:22:19
http://www.beinhealth.com/public/?theme=bih_r1 |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 09/01/2009 : 08:20:52
Here is the websites:
http://www.akwellspring.com/index.html
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| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 08/31/2009 : 17:50:34
Wow! I confess it, I'm angry and still hold resentment to a few people. I'm working on it, and really trying to let go and offer it all for release.
After reading the above post about Christian approach to TMS, I went to Art Matthias' website and found a bunch very good reasons to come to this Forum and confess (so to speak - perhaps I'm being a bit liberal here by comparing "sharing" to "confessing"). At any rate, the following list, from his site, seems to suggest that just keeping it all buried inside won't get you where you want to go...
"This is what Scripture has to say about confessed and unconfessed sins:
Confessed Sins:
1. They are blotted out (Isaiah 44:22; Acts 3:19).
2. They are forgiven (Exodus 34:7; I John 1:9; I John 2:12).
3. They are remitted (Matthew 26:28; Mark 1:4).
4. They are made white as snow (Isaiah 1:18).
5. They are made as wool (Isaiah 1:18).
6. They are cast behind God's back (Isaiah 38:17).
7. They are forgotten (Isaiah 43:25; Hebrews 8:12; Hebrews 10:17).
8. They are purged away (Psalm 79:9; Hebrews 1:3).
9. They are covered (Psalm 32:1; Romans 4:7).
10. They are put away (II Samuel 12:13; Hebrews 9:22)."
11. They are removed as far as the east is from the west (Psalm 103:12).
12. They are cast into the depths of the sea (Micah 7:19).
13. They are washed away (Rev. 1:5).
14. They are taken away (I John 3:5).
15. They are put off (Col. 2:11).
16. One is saved from them (Matthew 1:21).
17. One is freed from them (Romans 6:7,16-23; Romans 8:2).
18. One is cleansed from them (I John 1:7,9).
19. One becomes dead to them (Col. 2:13; I Peter 2:24).
20. One is quickened from death in them (Ephes. 2:1-10; Col. 2:13).
Unconfessed Sins:
1. They cause death (Genesis 2:17; Ezekiel 33:8-13; Romans 8:12-13).
2. They hinder prayers (Psalm 66:18).
3. They provoke God to anger (I Kings 16:2).
4. They weary God (Isaiah 43:24).
5. They separate from God (Isaiah 59:2).
6. They testify against us (Isaiah 59:12; Jeremiah 14:7).
7. They cause God to remember them (Psalm 25:7).
8. They expose guilt (Psalm 69:5).
9. They cause God to visit (Hosea 8:13; Hosea 9:9).
10. They us load down (II Tim. 3:6, Hebrews 12:1).
11. They cause us to pine away (Ezekiel 33:10; Leviticus 26:39).
12. They cause us to be consumed (Isaiah 64:7; Ezekiel 4:17).
13. They take men away (Isaiah 64:6).
14. They bring punishment (Amos 3:2).
15. They damn the soul (II Thes. 2:12; Matthew 16:16).
16. They cause one to be of Satan (1 John 3:8).
17. They cause hardening of heart (Hebrews 3:13).
18. They make servants of sin (Romans 6:7-23; John 8:34).
19. They bring reproach (Proverbs 14:34).
20. They cause national judgment (Amos 1:3,6,9,11,13; Amos 2:1,4,6).
21. They cause disease (Deut. 28; Ps.103:3; Mark 2:9; James 5:16).
22. They cause many troubles and calamities in life (Job; Deut. 28; Proverbs 1:27-31).
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 08/31/2009 : 14:15:29
If you want a more spiritual/Chrisitan approach to this than I highly suggest you read Henry Wright's A More Excellent Way, and also Art Mathias's Biblical Foundations of Freedom.
I went to some seminars last week to see Art Mathias and it was amazing. One lady had developed Fibromyalgia, and Art walked up to her and asked who hurt her. She said her husband verbally abused her. She had held bitterness towards him, and about a year ago, he passed away. She confessed that she blamed herself and God. She started crying, and Art prayed with her and immediately her sciatics left. She went back the next day and said he walked up the stairs without pain for the first time in years. She had some pain from other areas of her body, and Art told her to keep praying and confessing.
It's amamzing how much hurt we hold on to. They basically say that pain and disease can come from breakdown in relaionships in 3 areas: Our relationship with God, with others and ourselves. We wnat to look at bitterness and unforgiveness, jealousy, envy, rejection, fear, anxiety, and stress.
Now I'm notsure about what Roman Catholic teaches, because I'm not big into religion. Art and Henry teach from the bible. |
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