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| walnut864 |
Posted - 05/29/2009 : 19:38:07
Hello, I am new here to the forum. I believe through some of the books that I have read that I too have TMS.
I won't go into the many many mnay symptoms that I have had over the past few years but I want to share this recent one.
I started a few weeks ago having pain in the arms. Starting at where the arms connects to the shoulder socket and going down to the inside of my elbow. I found it hard to elevate my arms because certain movements seem to cause pain. I have lots of clicking and popping in that joint where the arm connects to the shoulder.
How could this be TMS? I have explained it to family members and they all say it sounds like tendonitis.
I started the other day having pain on the outside of my right leg where it connects into the hip. It hurts worse upon certain movements that cause that part of my leg to stretch. Today it feels like the sciatica that I used to have down the back of this same leg.
The thing that bothers me is the fact that I starting having lots of weird symptoms after taking an antibiotic called Levaquin a few years back. I took a pill or 2 and discontinued them, the doc then prescribed Bactrim DS which caused all sorts of muscular skeletal and nerve type pains and sensations. I took this for a few days then disontinued them also.
I tried to tell all the docs that I knew the Bactrim or the Levaquin done this to me, but they did not believe me.
I am sure you have seen the many things on tv about Levaquin lawsuits.
Now, I'm not so sure its TMS or a reaction to an antibiotic!
Many of my pains have long gone. I still have continuous muscle twitches all over my body (these started last year) or fasiculations as I have read they are called.
So, any idea how I can respond to this pain in my arms? |
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| patils |
Posted - 06/07/2009 : 20:55:04
Thanks Peg for your encouraging explanation.
The problem I feel is I will make more damage to bones because of noise in bones and I am still sitting on PC.
I heard this noise is because of rotator stuff injury and is really worried. All this started after my neck injury two years back.
Th eproblem is
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| SarnoFan |
Posted - 06/06/2009 : 21:35:30
All these symptoms, and more, are TMS=anxiety.
A good site that has helped me confirm physical symptoms of anxiety is www.anxietycentre.com Check out their symptom pages.
Clicking/popping have occured each time I had tension in the muscles, supporting the oxygen-deprivation theory.
I have also had allergies, one panic attack when I was 9, eyelid twitch during a stressful year, low back pain, upper back spasm, flank spasm, knee pain, big toe pain, pelvic floor spasm after surgery that lasted 1.5 years, burning skin feeling in legs, face, arms, and more.
I have quieted all those symptoms and they do not scare me anymore. They barely return and then vanish in minutes.
My mom had anxiety and I learned it from her. Now I think my son has picked up on it. It is learned behaviour...therefore can be unlearned.
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| sarita |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 13:54:22
if it will make you feel better you could get an mri of the neck.
the more you ignore it, the better. |
| sarita |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 12:02:20
and this thing in the arms, is also the fear of a neurological disorder, i think........
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| sarita |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 12:00:28
this "things" is stress....tms |
| hottm8oh |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 09:26:17
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Originally posted by sarita
it will fade away but i heard, and experieced, that ssri stay in your system for a looong time. the tiredness, the jolts, i had the same. a friend of mine, after being on celexa, had this thing in both her arms for months. she is a musician.
i guess it also shows us why we took lexapro in the first place. its the anxiety that needs to be adressed...
good luck!
This is good to know. I was starting to think I had a neurological disorder. I also have a "thing" in both arms, and it's driving me nuts.
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You said you were given lexapro for G.I problems? does that mean you doctor thought they were stress related?
It's an exceptionally long story, but I was misdiagnosed. The Lexapro isn't going to do jack squat for my G.I. issues, so I stopped taking it about 10 days ago and now I just feel.....weird.....It's kind of hard to describe. I put in a call to my doctor to discuss it with her, but I don't even know what to say. "Hello, doctor. I feel weird." |
| Peg |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 18:44:28
Walnut
I'm so sorry for all you have been through. Those experiences must have been very confusing and frightening to you as a child. It certainly does sound like the kind of things that could contribute to anxiety and psychosomatic symptoms.
You are very brave and a survivor.
Journaling and writing letters to those who have hurt us (not to send) can be helpful to us in terms of releasing the negative feelings that mey have been suppressed in order for us to become "responsible adults". Also some people on the forum have been helped by a book by John Lee about expressing anger called "Facing the Fire".
It can be helpful to talk to a professional as well.
TMS can affect the muscles, tendons, ligaments and nerves, by reducing the oxygen supply to them, so our symptoms can be very varied in their presentation.
Best,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
| walnut864 |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 08:53:52
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Originally posted by Peg
Hi Walnut,
It all sounds like tms to me.
What happened to that 11 year old walnut before the diagnosis of panic disorder? What kind of a child was he/she? What kind of environment did that child grow up in?
I agree with sarita, it's very telling that your physical symptoms follow pretty closely the time when you stopped meds for anxiety. Dr. Sarno believes that anxiety and depression are also tms. They distract us from our bad feelings (repressed rage, sadness, grief, etc).
Good to hear you're reading, that's what aided in my recovery 10 years ago. I really like Gabor Mate's book. I more recently read Claire Weekes and while it is a bit outdated, I still found it helpful.
Sounds like you're on the right track.
Take care,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei
Well, I believe there are many factors that caused me to be this way. During my childhood I was molested at age 5 by my cousin. I dont know what he said to keep me quiet but I never said anything until after I developed panic attacks in the 6th grade.
My parents fought alot. So there was a lack of security in my home.
My brother developed panic attacks at age 16 I was 5 years old then. I grew up watching him being anxious and seeing all his anxious habits which I believe conditioned me to be anxious.
My brother and his wife got a divorce when I was in the 5th grade. I remember having to ride around town with my family as they were trying to catch her out with another man. I remember having alot of stomach issues, like nausea and feeling very apprehensive. Now I realize it was anxiety. I was afraid of what was going to happen when we did catch her with another man.
There probably are a few more things I just havent thought real hard about it.
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| Peg |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 05:11:21
Hi Patils,
The worrying you mention in regards to the noises, is what helps them to persist. Our worry and fear is one of the big reasons our symptoms (be it pain, tingling, noises, etc) continue.
It's hard to quantify the intensity of the noise. It was a painless clicking. It all went away gradually when the pain resolved. But those two things happened only after learning about Dr. Sarno's theory and applying it to my life. None of the treatments I had had over 10 years within the traditional and alternative medicine community made that happen.
*Accepting that the cause was psychological not physical
*reminding myself of this and re-directing my thoughts to the emotions instead of the physical symptoms
*writing about my stresses, anger, sadness also helped me
*getting back to activity
*balancing my life with pleasurable activities rather than all responsibilities
*Reading and re-reading Dr. Sarno's books along with other books about the mindbody connection
*Undoing the conditioning that I thought certain activities caused pain. It's not an activity that causes pain. The pain is due to psychological causes, but we become conditioned to have pain during certain activities and it happens because we expect it.
Many people on this board have gone from debilitating wrist, arm and hand pain for many years to sitting at and using computer for unlimited amounts of time, once they realized and addressed the true cause of their pain, which was emotional conflict/pain.
Hope this helps.
Take care,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
| patils |
Posted - 06/03/2009 : 20:57:56
[quote]Originally posted by Peg
As far as the clicking and popping. I believe it has to do with the fact that the tms reduces blood flow to the tendons and muscles, which causes muscle spasm and altered movement. I had noises and limitation of my range of motion in a shoulder when I had tms, before learning about Dr. Sarno's theory. The noises gradually went away with my pain.
Peg
Dear Peg,
I too get lot of noise in my shoulder blades and pain in uppder body. What more worrying is noise in bones ?
How were and what was intensity of noises in your bone ? Have they completely gone ?
I have to daily sit on computer and pain comes whenever I sit on PC. I do not know, how it will go away in my case. |
| Peg |
Posted - 06/03/2009 : 05:44:18
As far as the clicking and popping. I believe it has to do with the fact that the tms reduces blood flow to the tendons and muscles, which causes muscle spasm and altered movement. I had noises and limitation of my range of motion in a shoulder when I had tms, before learning about Dr. Sarno's theory. The noises gradually went away with my pain.
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
| Peg |
Posted - 06/03/2009 : 05:39:38
Hi Walnut,
It all sounds like tms to me.
What happened to that 11 year old walnut before the diagnosis of panic disorder? What kind of a child was he/she? What kind of environment did that child grow up in?
I agree with sarita, it's very telling that your physical symptoms follow pretty closely the time when you stopped meds for anxiety. Dr. Sarno believes that anxiety and depression are also tms. They distract us from our bad feelings (repressed rage, sadness, grief, etc).
Good to hear you're reading, that's what aided in my recovery 10 years ago. I really like Gabor Mate's book. I more recently read Claire Weekes and while it is a bit outdated, I still found it helpful.
Sounds like you're on the right track.
Take care,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
| walnut864 |
Posted - 06/02/2009 : 18:43:26
ty for your reply sarita.
hottm8oh, when i came off of Luvox (ssri) i didnt have these muscle twitches, i had the jolts and felt very apprehensive. I remember having what felt like bugs crawling on me. I would be sitting there playing a video game and swear i felt knats or something landing on me but nothing was there.
I was Luvox for about 15 years.But those feeling lasted a month or 2 in my case.
You said you were given lexapro for G.I problems? does that mean you doctor thought they were stress related? |
| sarita |
Posted - 06/02/2009 : 16:09:17
it will fade away but i heard, and experieced, that ssri stay in your system for a looong time. the tiredness, the jolts, i had the same. a friend of mine, after being on celexa, had this thing in both her arms for months. she is a musician.
i guess it also shows us why we took lexapro in the first place. its the anxiety that needs to be adressed...
good luck!
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| hottm8oh |
Posted - 06/02/2009 : 08:33:43
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Originally posted by sarita
its me again for a change. one more thing: all this meds, klonopin etc (i was on xanax) and SSRIs (mine was lexapro) DO change something in your muscle tone, state, nerves etc. i firmly believe they change something in your body. you may be recuperating. no doctor denied it when i asked them. i told them my muscles tone changed etc and they agreed.
keep going the good path.
sarno and weekes...have made a difference no doctor or psychologist made. not even close.
Do your muscles and nerves return to normal at some point? I was put on a low dose of Lexapro for severe G.I. issues, but I stopped taking it a week ago. My arms and hands have felt heavy, achey, and awkward for the past few days. I've also been getting that "electrocuted" feeling and I'm very tired. I can tolerate it as long as I know that it will all eventually go away. Is this TMS or Lexapro withdrawl? Maybe a dose of both? |
| sarita |
Posted - 05/31/2009 : 15:17:15
its me again for a change. one more thing: all this meds, klonopin etc (i was on xanax) and SSRIs (mine was lexapro) DO change something in your muscle tone, state, nerves etc. i firmly believe they change something in your body. you may be recuperating. no doctor denied it when i asked them. i told them my muscles tone changed etc and they agreed.
keep going the good path.
sarno and weekes...have made a difference no doctor or psychologist made. not even close. |
| sarita |
Posted - 05/31/2009 : 10:59:36
hey walnut i just HAD to add something else.
you say you are coping a lot better with anxiety-depression.
and now, you have pain.
SAME HERE
this symptom imperative thing may really be indisputably correct...its time to, instead of treating the symptoms, treat the cause.
good luck on your path!!!
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| sarita |
Posted - 05/31/2009 : 10:46:02
everything you describe...pain, depression, anxiety, twitching etc etc etc, is part of one and the same thing- that's what i think. i am dealing with the same. i too was on meds, now i am on none, and doing much better. you will get out of this.
its the "hope and help for your nerves" by claire weekes. DO get it walnut,
sarita
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| walnut864 |
Posted - 05/31/2009 : 08:56:32
Well, I was diagnosed with Panic disorder at age 11 or 12. A few years later they said I had Generalized Anxiety Disorder and depression, then a few more years they said I have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. I was on meds for many years I weaned myself off of them all. I was on Luvox (antidepressant) for about 15 years. I havent took it in 1 year and 6 months. I was on Klonopin (benzodiazapene) for 15 years also. I have not taken one of those in 8-9 months.
I feel I am doing much better with the anxiety issue now that I am off of meds.
I studied alot on anxiety, ocd, depression etc etc.
The muscle twitching is less than it used to be. Ive only had it for close to a year now.
I will check out claire weekes book after I purchase Gabor Mate' s
book when the body says no. It looked like an interesting read.
Thanks for your reply! |
| sarita |
Posted - 05/31/2009 : 03:27:20
Hi walnut,
how are you doing mentally? I had the all over twitches before getting very depressed. I think it is an attempt for the body to release unbearable tension.
Get the Levaquin out of your mind. Maybe this medicine was the trigger, but if you remember what Sarno says, the mind often uses the trigger as a perfect way to induce symptoms. This theory indeed sounds "fantastic" but I have experienced it on myself many times and observed in many friends. Besides, you cant change the past. Some doctors are just __________.
As for your arm pain being TMS, it most definitely is possible; those symptoms, cracking, popping, could mean bad circulation, the pain as well. It was the case with me. Through that, the muscles stiffen, this is what is called tissue alteration. And thus the bones and tendons are not free anymore. Tendinitis, as far as I know, is linked to inflammation. Again the word "inflammation"...I don't buy it.
There are good news in your post, you say, most of your pains and aches are already gone.
Get into Sarnos books more in depth, follow the home treatment. Read some of Montes posts here, read all over.
Start questioning, observing, analyzing. Loose the fear. Also, it sounds like you have seen many doctors, go to one you trust to check the arm thing, if you have not already done so.
If you have anxiety (which, given all the aches you had, I think you have, be it consciously or unconsciously)read Claire Weekes. I just finished her book and I am in awe.
Best of luck to you. |
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