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| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 03/10/2009 : 12:45:02
actually. I posted awhile back but just wanted to bring it back up as after reading all of Sarnos books and this and that, for some reason this has made the most powerful impact on me is
Anatomy of Hope by jerome Croopman Md- I rented the CD set from the library and its the 4 tape that tells of his 19 year stuggle with life altering back and other pain and how he finally overcame it.
Ok sorry won't mention it again. |
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| pandamonium |
Posted - 03/11/2009 : 16:07:27
From the paper that Forest posted...
"Both Bohr and Barsky believe that learned behavior can be unlearned, ...encourage new approaches to treatment (of fibromyalgia). Recent studies in England, for example, in which cognitive-behavioral techniques were applied to those suffering from chronic-fatigue syndrome, have been very promising. First, patients are told that they cannot injure themselves by engaging in tasks that increase their pain. (This is contrary to the general assumption that pain is a physiological red flag.)"
I have only just realised by reading this that this was key in making my recovery. In the first 8 years that I suffered back pain people were always amazed that I didn't take pain killers and the one reason I didn't was because I thought if I couldn't feel then I wouldn't be able to tell if I was doing any more damage which terrified me. Once I knew that I couldn't really damage myself I took a pain killer, kept going and tried not to stress about it. |
| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 03/11/2009 : 12:25:57
Thank you for more info on stuff he wrote. |
| forestfortrees |
Posted - 03/11/2009 : 11:48:43
I found another fascinating free article by Dr. Groopman. This one is about "Fibromyalgia" and is a terrific (if long) read for someone who knows about TMS.
In my opinion, "Fibromyalgia" is just TMS, and I think that many fibro researchers are slowly figuring out that it is largely a psychosomatic condition and should be treated as such. Most don't refer to Dr. Sarno, but the evidence is right there in front of them, so they just use other language to describe the same things.
I was actually treated by the Dr. Goldenberg described in the article, and I remember the educational seminar that Dr. Goldenberg held after he diagnosed me. Dr. Goldenberg actually was very helpful, letting me know that it was just chronic pain. However, I didn't completely believe him and it wasn't until I read the success stories that I described in my TMSHelp forum post entitled "Hi and TMS Wiki" that I started making real progress.
Reading the words of some of the other doctors near the end of the article (Bohr, Barsky, Wolfe, and Rooks), it almost felt like I was reading The Divided Mind, just without explicit mention of the word TMS. I find this very encouraging, and hope at some point to draw Dr. Barsky's attention to the TMS Wiki. I think that Fibro patients are extremely skeptical of any doctors that mention a mind-body connection, but might be much more open to hearing it from other sufferers who had been given the diagnosis of Fibromyalgia but are now mostly 90 or 100% cured. Dr. Barsky seems to have difficulty reaching patients because of this, and he might be interested in the Wiki because it is written by patients.
Here's the link:
http://www.jeromegroopman.com/articles/hurting-all-over.html
Those interested in the connection between Fibro and TMS may wish to check out the wiki page on Fibro for success stories and book recommendations. |
| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 03/11/2009 : 08:43:09
The first 3 cd's are about him starting to become a cancer doctor and how to talk to patients about their treatments, how much hope to give and about is the pain of treatment worth a few more months or a few more years. Basically how honest to be with his cancer patients.
He was also amazed at the pain some were willing go go thruough with their treatments clinging to every bit of hope.
the last CD is he hurt his back and had surgery which perty much left him unable to do much at all and took away his life, last for 19 years- he had given up hope, till he finally went to a doctor and told him about he was honoring the "Volcano God of Pain" and the more he subcombed to it the more the God would want. Its about how pain and fear of pain produces more pain and how our muscles have memories, and of course his treatment plan was to use his muscles (which he was very leery of doing at first = but he got a glimmer of hope listening to the doctor tell him about the treatment so he started it with much unbelief but with a glimmer of hope . it created even more pain at first, witch he was told it would , but after a year he was pain free. The way he talks about those years and his healing I found to be so much the way we talk on the board, "are they nuts, I should move like that" etc. Just really hit home with me as I have the fear of moving and the fear of pain. |
| pandamonium |
Posted - 03/10/2009 : 16:09:05
Don't be sorry L2S, it's short posts like this that can make a huge impact on people's lives. I will add it to the book list. |
| Peg |
Posted - 03/10/2009 : 15:24:32
Yes, thanks very much for bringing it up. I haven't read or listened to that.
Would you mind elaborating on what it was within that material that made such a big impression on you?
Best,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
| TotalStrangerFigure |
Posted - 03/10/2009 : 13:18:00
Don't be sorry!
Those of us who are newer here didn't read your previous post.
Thanks for sharing! |
| HilaryN |
Posted - 03/10/2009 : 12:50:11
That's weird, just before I read this post I happened to be reading this article by him because it came up on a search I was doing:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/books/review/Groopman-t.html?pagewanted=print
(At least I assume it's the same person? Groopman?)
Hilary N |
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