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| kalo |
Posted - 03/05/2009 : 13:18:02
I've been reading Dr. Sarno's Mindbody Prescription in regards to Nerve Pain, etc, and how Dr. Sarno explains how is related to lack of oxgen.
Dr. Sarno says that numbness and nerve pain are nothing to worry about and it almost like he is saying that "the bark is worst then the bite" so to speak.
So, what I am wondering is all the medical profession WRONG about nerve impignment? Meaning their theory is if you keep doing what is causing the pain it will eventually damage the nerve permanately?
Has anyone on this form ever suffered numbness and nerve pain and just fought and it eventually went away?
It seems to me that most on this forum especially the ones that suffered RSI who believe in Sarno's theory forged ahead and no permanent damage was done.
I am thinking that the medical professional is wrong.
Any thoughts, thanks Kalo |
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| positivevibes |
Posted - 03/08/2009 : 21:49:41
Thanks for the kudos. Yes, I made that phrase up on the spot today. :-) Everyone can feel free to use it as they want!
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Originally posted by Peg
Yes, very well put positive vibes. It is a lot of work. I think I was a slow study. But it has been so worth keeping at it.
"the only thing that is impinged is your psyche!!"
Did you make this up? It's a great line!! Made me smile. Can I use this one?
Best,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei
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| Peg |
Posted - 03/08/2009 : 18:25:44
Yes, very well put positive vibes. It is a lot of work. I think I was a slow study. But it has been so worth keeping at it.
"the only thing that is impinged is your psyche!!"
Did you make this up? It's a great line!! Made me smile. Can I use this one?
Best,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
| kalo |
Posted - 03/08/2009 : 17:31:25
All I can say positivevibes is you HIT the NAIL right on with what you've posted!!
The brain is very tricky and the fact we've been all trained to believe in structure abnormalities of what we did is the cause it's very tricky to unlearn these things....
I know what you mean as I am some what in the same boat you're in, but I believe we persistence, patient, and not wanting to rush our RE-TRAINING our minds, I think all of us can overcome TMS!!!
Good reply, thanks kalo! |
| positivevibes |
Posted - 03/08/2009 : 15:34:12
A big part of the problem is doubt and frustation when you don't get better really fast. We all want to get better fast. Who wouldn't?
In the medical community, we take a pill or go for some treatment and maybe we get better. Maybe. I think that most of us are here because we have NOT gotten better from those usual treatment modalities.
Yet, despite believing -- knowing -- that I have TMS....despite seeing proof (again and again) that stress and emotions are causing my pain....my kneejerk reaction is still to think that "something is being impinged" or "something is out of place," bringing the problem back to "the physical." For a long time I was even saying, "Well, I have TMS but I also think there's something structural going on." At this point, I realize that the ONLY physical thing going on is TMS at work. My mind is playing tricks on me, creating a feedback look in my autonomic nervous system.
I think the hardest thing is overcoming the doubt and re-training yourself to stop thinking it's a structural problem. Like Capn said, we are trained to look for a physical problem first. In many other logical areas of our lives, the structural IS the cause of the pain. For instance, if your finger suddenly feels hurt, you look and sure enough, you have a paper cut. Or if your hip feels sore, you look and see a bruise, then realize that you had banged into the kitchen table yesterday and had forgotten about it. We know that paper cuts and bruises heal with time so we don't worry about them and we certainly don't obsess over them. Paper cuts and bruises also heal quickly. So do broken bones.
But TMS is very sneaky. It is not something that can be seen like a paper cut or a bruise, and it doesn't tend to heal quickly. It falls into that realm of the unseen, the "hard-to-diagnose which may leave room for doubt." And because we are often distressed about the ongoing pain, that room for doubt keeps us running around in circles looking for an answer -- even if the answer is clearly understood -- it's coming from that organ between our ears.
It's so much easier and faster to go to an MD and be told "you have a blah-blah. Go to physical therapy for 3 weeks and follow up with me." So then you think, "Ah ha, PT will fix my blah-blah in 3 weeks! In 3 weeks I'll be healed!" But then you aren't, and you're back to square one again.
To truly be on the TMS program, you have to stop looking for quick fixes. Every time you kneejerk want to think "this feels impinged" you have to stop yourself and remind yourself that the only thing that is impinged is your psyche!! I think this is the hardest thing about overcoming TMS. It's a continual struggle. I think that the difference between someone who overcomes or controls TMS and someone who is at its mercy is sheer raw determination. Telling TMS that it WILL NOT WIN.
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| kalo |
Posted - 03/08/2009 : 15:18:16
Yeah, everything we were taught about pain by the medical profession is FALSE!
The proof is in patients who are often treated by the medical community. All the surgeries and coneventioal therapy and so forth does not heal the nerve. Whether it's back, or RSI nothing seems to work...EXCEPT, Dr. Sarno's TMS theory!
I think it's wonderful how there is proof from people on this forum! All the the testimonies from replies and on the tesitmony page itself is convincing evidence.
Also, I remember seeing Dr. Sarno on Larry King and thousands of listeners called in to thank Dr. Sarno for saving their lives. I would like to say there were more then thousands as the phone lines were flooded with calls to him!!!
I even remember two orthepedic back surgeons that were in the studio with Dr. Sarno and both became believers in Dr. Sarno's theory!!! Of course there was one bozo surgeon who still try to claim that Sarno's theory was false.
Geez, how can the medical profession just snub Dr. Sarno off??? His research in itself is REMARKABLE!!!!! Plus the people he has healed lots of people because of the TMS knoweledge.
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| Peg |
Posted - 03/08/2009 : 13:03:52
Capnspanky
Yours is a very inspiring story. Amazing. Thanks for sharing it.
You make a good point also about one of the big stumbling blocks for a patient in accepting this information. It goes against everything else they have heard.
Lets hope medical schools will someday teach this information to their students. The Doctors of tomorrow.
Best,
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
| Capn Spanky |
Posted - 03/08/2009 : 11:59:53
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Originally posted by kalo
Half the battle for me is believing that it's not what I did to cause injury, but truly it is TMS!
I totally agree! Trying to believe there is no injury or underlying pathology causing at least some portion of the pain often goes against common sense and everything we were taught to believe by the experts. Yet I have become convinced that is exactly what I have to do. I must believe completely and totally there is nothing wrong with me. Believe, believe, believe! Faith, faith, faith! 
All I can say is that it has worked amazingly well thus far. |
| kalo |
Posted - 03/06/2009 : 15:40:50
Well Capn Spanky,
That is GREAT and to be truthful January 2008 is not a very long time to be a TMS Follower (if that makes sense)
Half the battle for me is believing that it's not what I did to cause injury, but truly it is TMS! If I can get over this I too believe I would see VAST improvement.
Visiting this forum is making me draw nearer to the TRUTH!!! I am grateful for the forum and for the people who help me and other with their stories of pain free life as well as the GREAT encouragement given to others that need help!!!
Awesome, Kalo |
| Capn Spanky |
Posted - 03/06/2009 : 15:24:07
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Originally posted by kalo
Capn Spanky!
That is AWE inspiring!!!! Wow, your neurologist actually said your sciatic was causing nerve damage???
How long did it take for you to get better? How did you find out about Dr. Sarno?
Well, that is proving the Medical Profession Wrong!!! Dr. Sarno REALLY deserves some type of an award for his findings?
Happy for both you and Lori who are now pain free!!! Gives the rest of us LOTS of hope and that TMS is truly the culprit!!!
Hey kalo,
There are LOTS of reasons to be hopeful!  I believe with all my heart that TMS and nothing else is truly the culprit for me (and many, many others, imo).
I first got debilitating back pain/sciatica in 1987. I learned to live with it, but it severely limited my life. It was a major bummer! I found about Dr. Sarno on January 8, 2008. I marked the date because I realized very quickly that it might change my life. I think I saw pretty good results fairly quickly (a couple of weeks), but it may have taken several months for all the back pain (and the fear) to go away. I also had tennis elbow and that took A LOT longer to get better (nearly 2 years). Part of my problem there was I didn't fully accept that all of the problem was TMS. But now I do and I am 100% pain-free.
I don't want to delude you. It wasn't easy. But I completely believe it is very possible to fully recover. I can't tell you how happy and grateful I am to have my health back. |
| kalo |
Posted - 03/06/2009 : 12:54:05
Capn Spanky!
That is AWE inspiring!!!! Wow, your neurologist actually said your sciatic was causing nerve damage???
How long did it take for you to get better? How did you find out about Dr. Sarno?
Well, that is proving the Medical Profession Wrong!!! Dr. Sarno REALLY deserves some type of an award for his findings?
Happy for both you and Lori who are now pain free!!! Gives the rest of us LOTS of hope and that TMS is truly the culprit!!!
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| Capn Spanky |
Posted - 03/06/2009 : 12:23:45
Back in the late 80s in my neurologist did some kind of the test and said that it appeared that my sciatic was causing nerve damage in my left leg. I worried about that for years.
20 years later after Dr. Sarno I'm 100% sciatica and pain free. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the function in my left leg. What a load of BS! |
| kalo |
Posted - 03/05/2009 : 15:20:31
Lori,
Thanks for the explanation!!! Again, it seems the medical professionals have it wrong and there is a lot of misguided informations as well...
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| mizlorinj |
Posted - 03/05/2009 : 15:08:56
Right, it is dead. Not possible for it to cause pain. It is said to be harmless.
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| kalo |
Posted - 03/05/2009 : 14:02:33
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Nerve pinching and impingement--the 2 TMS guys (Sarno and a local guy I've been to with a friend who had TMS and RECOVERED!) say if a nerve is being pinched it will die and cannot cause pain.
Hi Lori for some reason I am not getting what you're saying....You mean if the nerve was being pinched it dies and doesn't cause pain? Is that bad thing?
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| mizlorinj |
Posted - 03/05/2009 : 13:53:28
I had numbness when I had bad TMS pain. Dr. Sarno showed me that the medical reports were wrong because he had me do some contortion and told me if the medical report was right, I would not have been able to move the way I did.
The numbness was so bizarre--it was like I was touching someone else--I could feel the skin I was touching, but could not feel being touched. Even when I pinched hard as a test! Creepy. But I recovered.
Nerve pinching and impingement--the 2 TMS guys (Sarno and a local guy I've been to with a friend who had TMS and RECOVERED!) say if a nerve is being pinched it will die and cannot cause pain. |
