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| ocoton |
Posted - 02/26/2009 : 16:52:38
Hi I am new to this forum.
I am a 45 yr old competitive Masters Cyclist, from Canberra, Australia.
I am having issues with both knee's and over the last few years issues with back and neck, would flare up then come good, then flare up again. I can see now that this is most likely from TMS. I can also see these flare ups came around the same time I was preparing for bit competitions, ie. national and world masters champs.
I had an MRI scan done on my left knee, which said I had Chondromalacia, my sports doc, was not concerned at all she said it's just general wear and tear and not bad for my age. But still I am not comfortable on the bike, mainly sore if I put in a big effort.
ie. standing on the pedals going up hill and or sprinting out of the saddle. I am sore going up stairs, but not always.
Now in the last few weeks I went to a massage therapist with the belief that massage would keep me nice and lose. Well she probably went to hard and seems to have stirred up both knee's now, she also convinced me that I needed orthotics, I only wore them for 3 days, only 2hrs each day to start with, which she advised.
Well both knee's ended up swollen, sore and very tight, right knee now quite numb.
I am thinking now after reading Dr Sarno's books that this is TMS as I was worrying if the massage may stir things up and likewise the the othotics, and low and behold, yes it did, I think it did because I was worrying it would, and it did. My wife also said to me 'don't try them they will stir things up for you'.
Does this sound TMS like, I think it does.
Yesterday I read Monte Hueftle, the Master Practice, and it was me all over, so am now trying to bring in his practices in the way I think, and to stop my constant worrying.
Sorry if this is a bit long winded, but I am new to this TMS thing, but am trying to take it all in.
And help or advise would be much appreciated.
Tony
Tony |
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| ocoton |
Posted - 03/02/2009 : 19:26:26
Thanks for the thoughtful reply's.
I seem to slowly coming good, but guess what today I have a sore back nothing bad, but I'm sure it's TMS trying to take hold as I am getting better. Trying to tell this doesn't work, but at least I'm seeing that which is half the battle isn't it.
Tony |
| scd1833 |
Posted - 02/28/2009 : 10:01:57
I had horrible knee pain, back pain, tennis elbow, 10 years ago, saw sarno on 20/20 and recorded the program, and watched it 10-20 times over the weekend, and my back pain was gone! I went out and got sarno's books and within 6 weeks the elbow pain and knee pain were gone, the knee pain took the longest to resolve and recurred for a while but has never returned.
I still have frequent episodes of symptom imperative, but not in elbows or knees.
you need to stay the course and get past the pain of cycling, you obviously still fear the possibility of hurting yourself, the fear is what is causing the pain, not a physical defect. |
| weatherman |
Posted - 02/27/2009 : 01:22:41
Chondromalacia may well be where my TMS stuff started. I was first diagnosed with it 30 years ago, it was brought on by some long-distance biking. I had been a fairly serious (non-competitive) runner before then, and an avid non-technical mountain climber - and had no problems. I ended up going the whole route with orthotics etc., and after a year or so it resolved to some extent. Today I can do pretty much unlimited mountain climbing and skiing with no knee pain. However - if I spend much more than an hour on a bike the chondromalacia symptoms come back. It matters not whether it's spin cycling on level ground, or cranking up a steep hill on a mountain bike. I can do any kind of biking for about an hour. This never seemd logical to me, maybe there's mental conditioning at work. When I tell people I can hike up and down a mountain all day with no trouble, but can't spend more than an hour pedaling a bike they're incredulous.
I've pushed through other TMS stuff, including back pain several years ago - which seems to be what brings most people to this board. But, I think you're the first whose major issue is chondromalacia. I haven't really seen posts from people who have successfully "pushed through" it, will be interesting to see if this thread brings any out of the woodwork. Although Sarno definitively says chondromalacia is TMS and is harmless, I don't recall any case studies in any of the TMS books - that would have been helpful.
Weatherman
"Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." |
| Bobbypols |
Posted - 02/26/2009 : 22:33:24
TMS sounds likely to me. I have recurring back and knee pain. Just last week, my back was a worse as its ever been, yet my knee is as good as its ever been. Guess what? For a good 2 months prior the reverse actually was the case. In fact, writing this makes my knee kinda feel transient pain. Chondromalacia, is just a diagnosis or categorization of a structure and has nothing to do with pain. It human nature to think so. I guarantee we all have a bit or lot of chondromalacia, but some report pain and others dont...why?
Dont get me started with orthotics, they are the single biggest insult to the human body I can see. For millions of years we have walked barefoot on all types of terran, never have there been nice and flat surfaces for us to walk on, yet orthotics are now needed. I have had orthotics, they didnt relieve my back pain, and I have done TMS introspection, and that has, go figure. |
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