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| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 07/12/2008 : 07:17:13
I bought a self hypnosis book by Forbes Robbins Blair mainly to quit smoking but the book has a lot of scripts in it. I have made my own tape now, that the last two nights I have been listening to, I included things in it like, My body is healed, my immune system is strong, my subconscious mind heals my body while I sleep, I am anxious for nothing, I dont' worry about anything, I love my body and myself, I have a wonderful life, I sleep throught out the night and awake to a strong healthy pain free body and happy.
Anyone have experience with hypnosis, I've read quite a bit about the subconscious mind and I've come to believe it needs to be fed with positive rather than negative thoughts.
I'll let you know how it works. They say the best time to get through to your subconscious in right before sleep. |
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| EileenTM |
Posted - 07/17/2008 : 14:21:16
I really agree about the rage vs. other types of emotions. For me, symptoms did not start til 911, an event that consciously shook me to my core and caused me to feel that nothing in the world was safe. So if I felt like that consciously, I can only imagine how strong the feelings are in my unconscious. My symptoms started shortly after and I attributed them to deep fear not rage. I think any strong emotion buried in the unconscious can cause symptoms. They protect us from feeling those incredibly strong emotions.
I recently read that we live in the "decade of fear"...fear of terrorism, fear of the safety of our food, fear of the economy, fear of global warming etc. Could be that these life circumstances easily lead to TMS. |
| mk6283 |
Posted - 07/17/2008 : 00:20:19
I disagree somewhat with some of the things mentioned above. As a matter of fact, I believe hypnosis can and will have an important role in the treatment of TMS and other psychosomatic conditions. I have actually taken up the study of hypnosis myself over the past few months and I am more and more impressed/fascinated with it as I continue to learn more about it.
I think the main point I want to get across is that "hypnosis" is a very general/broad term that encompasses many different therapeutic modalities that all revolve around the trance state. It seems that the majority of people that have experimented with hypnosis for the treatment of TMS/chronic pain have used the direct suggestion modality. Although this may very well be helpful at times, I foresee AGE REGRESSION and IDEOMOTOR HEALING as the two modalities that will prove most beneficial to TMS patients. I'll defer discussion of the latter for another time.
I think Dr. Sarno is a genius and I cannot overstate the importance of his work. However, I am starting to disagree (slightly) with a couple of his theories and approaches. For example, Dr. Sarno puts a lot of emphasis on unconscious ANGER TO THE POINT OF RAGE as the primary cause of psychosomatic symptoms. While I definitely agree that unconscious rage can (and frequently does) cause TMS, I'm not so convinced that it is always the predominant nature of the repression. I think unconscious fear, anxiety, worry, regret, guilt, sadness, etc. are all equally important and warrant just as much consideration and investigation.
I agree entirely with Dr. Sarno with regard to the central role of the unconscious in the generation of TMS. However, I'm not so sure that psychoanalytic psychotherapy is the best approach toward treating the more difficult/refractory cases. I think psychotherapy is effective when the source of the TMS is actually being consciously SUPPRESSED, that is to say that deep down inside the patient really does know what is causing their symptoms, yet they have a difficult time accepting/believing it. Therapy can, and definitely does, help these patients. On the other hand, I think that many of the patients that don't seem to improve (even with psychotherapy) are truly unaware of the unconsciously REPRESSED origins of their symptoms. The treatment of these patients needs to be centered on an exploration of the unconscious. There is no greater approach to the unconscious than that of hypnosis.
While psychoanalytic techniques like free association and dream analysis (etc.) can provide glimpes into the unconscious mind, they are very slow and take a while to be of benefit (if they ever are). This is where I believe hypnosis, and age regression in particular, has a future role in the treatment of TMS. To his credit, I believe that Dr. Sarno has begun to realize this himself of late and that is why he has started to suggest that his patients begin to confront/address the child within. At its core, this is a form of self-hypnosis/age regression.
Therefore, even though the role of hypnosis in the treatment of TMS is far from being defined (or proven), I am of the opinion that it holds enormous promise for the treatment of many psychosomatic conditions. Stay tuned.
Best,
MK |
| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 07/16/2008 : 16:01:49
Your right, thanks for pointing that out to me, thats what it says in the book to, to be positive. |
| mizlorinj |
Posted - 07/16/2008 : 10:47:44
I'm just not sure how helpful hypnosis is so that's not what I'm weighing in on here.
I like your affirmations except what's in red:
My body is healed, my immune system is strong, my subconscious mind heals my body while I sleep, I am anxious for nothing, I don't worry about anything, I love my body and myself, I have a wonderful life, I sleep throught out the night and awake to a strong healthy pain free body and happy. it.
I prefer to use only positive statements w/o the negative words at all. The brain hears ANXIOUS and WORRY, so I prefer to use the statement that would be opposite of anxious w/o using the word. i.e. "I am at peace. I accept how things work out in my life."
Edit: in green: first statement had typo
MK: I agree anger and rage, and also sadness, FEAR (big one), guilt, etc. |
| Logan |
Posted - 07/16/2008 : 10:29:31
I had a very interesting experience with a hypnotist about a year before I discovered Sarno, which was also the time when my pain was the worst and most widespread. She also read from a hokey sounding script...I sat in an armchair in her dim office and closed my eyes and tried to go along with it because I was absolutely desperate to feel healthy again but I felt very skeptical about her so-called powers because I never felt "hypnotized."
When I left, I paid $150 and got in the car feeling ripped off. And also feeling like I had the worst migraine I'd ever head. I felt like someone had hit me in the forehead with a lead pipe. I believe this was my subconscious's way of saying, "Don't mess with me! Don't you dare try to circumvent the conscious mind and deal with me directly!" A year later when reading The Mindbody Prescription, I remembered that headache and thought, "A-ha! I'm on to you now!"
So, I don't think that hypnosis works to "cure" pyschogenic pain if you aren't aware that that is what you're dealing with. In fact, I think it may make it worse.
On the other hand, I definitely used "scripts" or "chants" to retrain my mindbody as I was consciously working to heal myself from TMS. I can't recall any of them right now but they were little rhyming couplets - maybe something to reverse the ischemia like "hey-ho, I let the blood flow" - that I'd say silently to myself all day and that reinforced some basic tenet of Sarno's theory and that reassured me that my body was healthy and well. They worked on two levels, the deliberate creation of the chant reinforced the theory in my conscious mind and the repetition and rhyming percolated it down into the subconscious.
Anyhow, that's my two cents. I say save your money. Don't buy cassettes, CDs, or pay some body else to do what you can do better for yourself! |
| joli |
Posted - 07/13/2008 : 12:16:29
LOL, personally, i wish it could work for me but being the TMSer that I am
, maybe later.
I think therefore I am. |
| moose1 |
Posted - 07/13/2008 : 09:26:28
years ago i went to a hypnotist for my chronic low back pain. she was awful. she read from a ridiculous script in a tone of voice that sounded like she was reading from a phone book. i honestly did try to give it a fair shake, but the script and her reading were so bad that i almost laughed, and i left wishing i'd had that hundred dollars back.
i'm sure it works for some people, but my one experience with it was not a good one. |
| LuvtoSew |
Posted - 07/13/2008 : 08:43:44
Rooster- the book has a master script in it around 15-20 mins long that puts you into the hypnotic state (gets you into a relaxed state)- then you either use one of the several scripts in the book or make your own, then you do the script to wake from the hypnotic state.
So first I record the master script, then my script, then the wake up. I think the main thing is its in my own voice. he says it works best right before sleep or first thing in the morning, and it takes practice and consistancy.
Let me know how it works for you. I figure it sure can't hurt.
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| Rooster |
Posted - 07/13/2008 : 07:21:10
LtS
This is an interesting one. I bought a hypnosis tape for hayfever which was OK, but not great. I listened to it half a dozen times, but didn't really see any benefit. But much like you I realised that these kind of positive scripts can be useful so I've written a few that relate more specifically to my symptoms. I'm going to record them and keep playing them back to myself. I'd be really interested to know how you get on... |
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