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| Baseball65 |
Posted - 12/11/2004 : 08:59:22
Hi Holly.
I read your post and wanted to move it into a new string.
On a past string I noticed this topic come up,and that almost all the respondents to the shoe issue were Women
My wife has a similar issue,and even wears these little "toe-keeper-together-er" thing a-ma-bobs.She is of course on her feet all day,and ,working in a Mall,looks like a fashion plate every time she leaves the house.
As a completly neutral and outside observer...do you think that women resent having to wear sexyshoes rather than what is comfortable?
I'm on my feet,and in scruched up positions all day long(foot fully cruched in a crouch) and I have never had any such issue,and I have wider (D) and big(12) feet.(I'm 5'8" or so,and I look like i'm skiing)
I also have NO imperative to look good...I'm a painter...I can easily be mistaken for a homeless person.I wear the most comfortable shoes with traction(ladders,roofs) that I can find.
My wife's shoes on the other hand do NOT look comfortable AT ALL!!
I'm not complaining  ,but I sometimes wonder if womens foot problems might be just as related to anger over what is considered chic,fashionable or appropriate.
I had one TMS related foot issue,though of a different nature.
Once,I jumped off of a scaffold,and I landed right on a furring nail pointed upwards, which punctured the bottom of my foot past the bone.
Afterwards,I never wore comfortable shoes,but these steel-toed "volcano" boots that have a steel plate under the entire length of the foot.They must have weighed 5-6 pounds.
When I went back to work after my recovery from the majority of my symptoms,I realized I had made myself uncomfortable for YEARS because of one accident...not too mention,they are dangerous on a ladder because of the imbalance thay cause.I went back to " the cheapest running shoe available" and have never thought about my feet again.....furring nails be damned!!
Just a thought on the shoe-deal
hope you figure it out
peace,love and Baseball
Baseball65 |
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/13/2004 : 20:24:56
Nice post Baseball65. I really enjoyed reading that. Thanks for your contributions to the board.
tt |
| Baseball65 |
Posted - 12/13/2004 : 18:52:51
Hi Holly.
What I meant ,to clarify,is she has the exact same symptom,but never had an "incident"...she's blamed it on shoes,having "hammered" toes,and a lot of other stuff..she's talked about bunion surgery(I still don't know what that is)....she's a Manager and a professional and really susceptible to TMS.
Her pinky toe is inflamed a large percentage of the time...that's why she wears the toe-scrunchers....she's a bit of a stoic,and only complains when it get's really bad.She juggles that with sciatica and Migraines...she went to the emergency room 2 weeks ago(again)
I'll ask her about it tonight,if I can get her attention for more than 5 minutes.I'm sure she would respond,except for the fact that she spends every free moment tending to some distraction(like all of us)
She's never fully digested TMS,though she believes it....I don't pester her...I figure she'll either heal through osmosis or get bad enough to do the work.
I've had friends who have recovered from episodes of pain by simply discussing it with me.Two I can think of off the top of my head...they both saw me go through my ordeal,and called me when they had some symptoms....they neither read the book nor ever did any work....simply being told that it was caused by suppressed rage and anger was enough for them to stop worrying about it,and subsequently seek no treatment.They never got a diagnosis or took the pain seriously.
They both called me after the episode was over and said "hey...after we talked,I just stopped worrying about it,and it went away"
So,I do believe in many situations that people can "get it" through osmosis.....I hope Mrs. Baseball is one of them.
peace love and BIRKENSTOCKS!!
Baseball65 |
| holly |
Posted - 12/13/2004 : 13:27:31
Pushmower (I didn't see the post your refering to) Where is it? Anyway I already did the nerve block, physical therapy route. That is why I am here. I am pretty sure this so called "RSD" is really TMS. Thanks anyway. Wonder why your post didn't connect  |
| pushmower |
Posted - 12/13/2004 : 13:06:29
hi holly ianswered you concerning your r.s.d i also am jewish and live on the island. i think i can point you in a good direction for some help here on the island we have some leading doctors in the country with r s d feel free to give me a call i answered your last post |
| holly |
Posted - 12/12/2004 : 20:33:00
Baseball,
I would LOVE to know your wifes IDENTICAL foot pain. I know you read all my posts, but your probably right, only a woman could really comprehend where I am comming from. I have to tell you (again) that this did all start with a bad injury to a middle toe two toes away from my pinky toe. Thats what brought me to it must be TMS. Then the same thing happened with the other foot. The "doctor" at the time Diagnosed "RSD" and said I was probably favoring my walking away from the injury. Did your wife injure any toes at all? Are her pinky toes constantly inflamed? Does she wear "those shoes" every day to work? I never wore shoes like that alot and this DID all start after the injury. I would just LOVE to hear from your wife, because if this is not TMS then I am really in trouble. I actually pray it is because then I know there will be an end. Maybe you can get her to respond. If she doesn't want to I totally understand. Thank you again for all your help with this. 
As far as "peace,love & birkenstock" How did you know I would LOVE to go back to the 70's.?  |
| Baseball65 |
Posted - 12/12/2004 : 17:54:00
"So guys is it the "shoes" or TMS?"-holly
Hi Holly.
I don't know.That's why I threw it out there.I guess being sort of a neutral observer,and living with a TMS prone wife who has the same issue,I can see a trend.I could never do more than guess ,but being a consultant for my friends who are big $ gamblers,I would have to go
-$220 on TMS
(that's gambler-ese for I think TMS is going to beat shoe irritation)
I know my wife and me have had long talks about the subject....girls and appearance.She looks absolutely stunning about 80% of the time,all dolled up.....However,she's stressed out so much of the time.
We've discovered through therapy and counseling that she felt rejected by her Father leaving the Family/abandoning her when she was 3,and she has always been meticulous about appearance.It's related to a deep seated fear of rejection.
I am the king of camp,and just as I don't expect her to make dinner,I have NEVER made a comment about the way she looks other than mentioning that I like her real hair color,and her freckles(which make-up hides),and that she doesn't have to dye her hair and spend an hour doing her make-up for me to find her beautiful.
I know she enjoys the way it makes her feel,so I don't begrudge her that,but sometimes...like if she's in a hurry,you can see the compulsion to ALWAYS look good can be cumbersome.
The fact that she gets nothing but compliments and no negative feedback PROVES that the compulsions are really deep rooted...she's not responding to external pressure...it's all internal.
She also has : Sciatica,pain in the tailbone,neck pain,foot pain identical to your description,breaks out in hives periodically,chronic respiratory "problems",and migraine headaches.
That's a steep price to pay for always being liked and looking good.
I sometimes get the "you're not really going out like that" speeches from her,but than again...I have NO symptoms.
so,back to your question...I think there is something to be investigated there,but it would have to be done by a woman who is familiar with the cleverness of TMS.
And,to address what Tunza said,I have noticed my wife has NEVER complained after a 5 mile walk in tennis shoes,but her feet have been killing her after 3 hours in her "sex kitten" high heels.
Her work shoes that hurt her so much are actually by womans standards pretty lo-heeled and practical...but I don't think that an elevated heel would be the optimum comfort for anybody.
I've been out in Drag a couple of times for Halloween (my friends were scared by how much I seemed to enjoy it) and My feet were KILLING ME!!
you are the pioneers...you TMS understanding women are equipped to break ground in a new possible TMS symptom.
the shoe industry might be forever indebted to you if you could prove that high heels don't cause foot problems....they might sponsor you and give you a bunch of pairs for free!
Imelda Marcos beware!
out
peace love and Birkenstock
Marc
Baseball65 |
| holly |
Posted - 12/12/2004 : 17:20:30
Yes all I Do resent having to deal with looking good in shoes. Today was a special day by the way! I actually found an attractive "dress shoe" that is cut in a way that it doesn't cut across my pinky toes.WOW!!  The sales lady must of really wondered about my excitement. Then she went on to her own little shoe story.
So what are you all saying? I agree with the parts about having rage over this situation, but you all mention in the same breath women having some sort of dicomfort etc. with shoes.( I am mostly a sneaker person during the day anyway but when I have to get dressed for whatever it becomes a very big deal. I have spent hours & days at a time just trying to find shoes that I can actually wear to these things. Yes, it is very "distracting and enraging" yes I want to look good at those times!! What do you want? I am a Jewish girl from Long Island, New York!! So guys is it the "shoes" or TMS???? 
BTW I caved in today. Took a celebrex and just had to put these Lidoderm patches on the pinkys  Isn't TMS pain suppose to come and go and not constantly be there??
Truly Stumped,
Holly |
| Logan |
Posted - 12/12/2004 : 14:47:07
Holly,
I had a similar thought to Baseball's while reading your post on the thread Mala began on how we could respond to doubting newbies. You said your friend made a comment on not being able to tolerate narrow shoes as she had been able to when younger.
It does make me wonder if you, like all women I think, have some resentment about the pressure we are all under to look good. That pressure certainly gets to one, especially as we got older and it gets harder to live up to those cultural ideals about what makes a woman worthy of attention, love, respect etc.
I wonder if you spent some time doing some really focused journaling on the subject if it might help you. Now that I think about it, I wonder if it might help me!
Just a thought,
Logan |
| Tunza |
Posted - 12/12/2004 : 12:32:10
I only wear high heels occasionally - usually to formal dinners etc. In the city every day on the way to work I see women teetering around on high heels. Some look reasonably at home in them but some really look like they are crippled/restricted by them in some way. You even see women limping sometimes and it's obvious that their shoes are rubbing.
For me my need to feel "my feet on the ground" is stronger than my desire to look good. But sometimes I actually feel anger surging through me about the discomfort women are expected to put up with to "look good".
Kat |
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