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| Hillbilly |
Posted - 05/08/2008 : 11:53:22
Hi all,
I just read Paul David's book, At Last a Life. It is a practical guide to how to heal your TMS/nervous/mindbody/psychosomatic/functional/neurotic/anxiety symptoms by integrating Claire Weekes' approach of understanding and acceptance. This guy suffered for 10 years and lost all his friends, his job, and nearly his life because he kept thinking there was something wrong with him. Tragic and triumphant in one read. I hope you all get well. |
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| richedie |
Posted - 05/23/2008 : 10:16:43
Another great one is Anxiety, Phobias, and Panick Attacks. Anyone read this one?
I started having tingling and pain in my feet, I thought I had MS, was convinced! Then a cascade of symptoms began from shortness of breath to twitching, to tremors, temperature drops, intollerance of cold, pain in my wrist which eventually started turning blue, etc. |
| Capn Spanky |
Posted - 05/22/2008 : 10:02:04
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Originally posted by armchairlinguist
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I was so worried about finding that repressed emotion, because I kept saying t myslef, how can I find it, if it is repressed?
This behavior is a (common) misconception of TMS theory, replacing physical obsession with psychological obsession. I addressed this a while in my post on journaling. I think it tends to happen because of the TMS personality just latching on to something new to worry about.
However, Sarno explicitly states that "finding" particular repressed emotions is not necessary for recovery and should not be the focus. Journaling helps to make us aware that we have past pressures and traumas that are contributors to the rage reservoir, but it isn't supposed to itself become obsessive, just raise awareness. A 30-60 min per day time limit on TMS treatment, and not letting it take over your thought processes, is mentioned in The Mindbody Prescription.
Thanks for the perspective and clarification, acl! This is a point of great confusion. I have the audio book of TMD. (as well as two of Dr. Sarno's books). When I listen to the portion written by the psychotherapists, I get the distinct impression that those who are still having pain, have not uncovered the "source of their rage". Even Dr. Sarno gives this impression when he says "you have to dig deeper" (I'm paraphrasing here). I think this needs to be further clarified. |
| Capn Spanky |
Posted - 05/22/2008 : 09:47:55
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Originally posted by 2scoops
Capn Spanky, it will probably be about $30 dollars cause it's shipped from the UK? I believe, so you gotta pay the exchange rate, plus the shipping charges. The book is very small, so if you do get it, you might think what the heck, I'm going to punch Scoops in the face. All I know is HillyBilly was wise in recomending this book. If you don't like the book, blame it on Hillybilly. :).
I hope you enjoy it, and I believe it is an approprite read for TMS.
No problem, 2scoops. Small is good! I found some peace of mind just reading stuff on his website, so I feel like the book will be helpful. |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 05/22/2008 : 08:13:00
Hope and Help for Your Nerves. Peace |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 18:34:28
BTW, what Claire Weekes book did he and you read? |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 18:02:59
Scoops,
Glad you liked the book. The straightforward insights into his own illness and struggle to get out remind me exactly of those who have posted here for long periods without any sign of relief (I was among those at one time). I hope anyone out there who is struggling to find the repressed emotions and getting nowhere will pick up this book (or Claire Weekes) and read without paying any attention to the fact that the guy didn't have trigger point pain and suffering, but he still suffered mightily, draw conclusions that they can do it too (they really can accept the fact that they feel bad but will feel better when they stop caring so much about how bad they feel).
BTW, I got an ebook off Clickbank to save shipping and read it on my computer. For those who can't sit too long, the bound book will have to do. But his story is a great illustration of how to conquer nervous symptoms by just not caring so much about how you feel and giving your body time to heal. Impatience is our worst enemy when dealing with a nervous disorder. He put Claire Weekes' book to use in his life. He didn't just read it and get well. He had to put up with months and months of continued suffering until he got better.
The one word that will cure you and that has cured countless thousands: ACCEPT. |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 17:06:49
Capn Spanky, it will probably be about $30 dollars cause it's shipped from the UK? I believe, so you gotta pay the exchange rate, plus the shipping charges. The book is very small, so if you do get it, you might think what the heck, I'm going to punch Scoops in the face. All I know is HillyBilly was wise in recomending this book. If you don't like the book, blame it on Hillybilly. :).
I hope you enjoy it, and I believe it is an approprite read for TMS.
Armchair, spot on!! You always have good insights.
Peace |
| armchairlinguist |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 16:08:31
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I was so worried about finding that repressed emotion, because I kept saying t myslef, how can I find it, if it is repressed?
This behavior is a (common) misconception of TMS theory, replacing physical obsession with psychological obsession. I addressed this a while in my post on journaling. I think it tends to happen because of the TMS personality just latching on to something new to worry about.
However, Sarno explicitly states that "finding" particular repressed emotions is not necessary for recovery and should not be the focus. Journaling helps to make us aware that we have past pressures and traumas that are contributors to the rage reservoir, but it isn't supposed to itself become obsessive, just raise awareness. A 30-60 min per day time limit on TMS treatment, and not letting it take over your thought processes, is mentioned in The Mindbody Prescription.
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It's not 100% belief that's required, but 100% commitment. |
| Capn Spanky |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 13:04:50
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Originally posted by 2scoops
We can actually keep our pain levels high worrying about what is causing the pain, looking for that magiacl emotion, looking for that excat repressed emotion. Which can have a negative effect, because now were worried we may not find it, that it is so buried. The point is any kind of stress, tension, and worry can make the pain constant, even if we know it's TMS, we can still worry about finding that "repressed emotion" and the pain continues. That is one thing that has always put a barrier into my recovery. I was so worried about finding that repressed emotion, because I kept saying t myslef, how can I find it, if it is repressed? Which in effect only caused me more tension, which added to my fear, worry and stress. It's time to let go, and let the body be at peace so it can heal. JMHO
Wow 2scoops, that really hit home with me! After reading some on Paul David's website, I'm going to order the book. |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 12:09:50
Hillybilly,
another thing I wanted to point out was the author keeps pointing out, tired mind, bro I love that saying. Our mind can do so much and we really do get physical pain from a tired mind. he mind is supposed to be at peace. Our bodies were meant to do physical things, lift, run, move, bend, etc. But our bodies were not meant to handle stress, worry, anxiety and fear.
I was talking to a freind the other day about TMS, and he said, " What does that stand for Too Much Stress", and I thought to myself, yeah, it really does.
This book is a gem.
God bless |
| Pd245 |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 11:43:57
I completely agree about the worrying contributing to the pain. One of the best books I have ever read on worrying is The Worry Cure, by Robert Leahy. I've been growing in leaps and bounds reading this book. For me, it was kind of like reading Sarno for the first time in terms of seeing myself in every page. Leahy says that worrying, among other things, is a way to avoid experiencing the sensations of anxiety. People who worry can actually reduce their anxiety levels ( at least temporarily) because they feel they're exerting some control over the situation. Also, very much in line with TMS, he says that people worry to supress emotions that are unpleasant. So, it's just another distraction ( which other people on this board can attest to). He adds that people who tend to worry cannot tolerate any uncertainty.
Just as an aside, one of the most helpful things he says in his book is that people who tend to procrastinate cannot tolerate discomfort. I found this so deeply true. After mining my past trying to determine why I've had this terrible procrastination problem, I've found this simple explanation to more helpful than anything else. |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 10:00:36
I have to agree with Hillbilly on this book, At Last a Life. There is a lot of wisdom in this book. One of the biggest reasons we get physical symptoms is because our mind is not at peace. Therefore our nerves, muscles, ligaments, etc pay the price. Stress, fear and worry add up overtime and then we get symptoms. I would say a good amount of us are pretty big worriers. Worried about what can go wrong, worried about the future, pleasing others, being successful. Sarno said knowledge is the key, being aware of what is going on. That is the penicillin. Not trying to fix ourselves. If we become aware of what is going on, then overtime we lessen the fear. The fear of anxiety and the fear of pain is dimished, then the body and mind learn to become more at peace. If we learn to lose the fear and anxiety the body then can "heal" itself.
We can actually keep our pain levels high worrying about what is causing the pain, looking for that magiacl emotion, looking for that excat repressed emotion. Which can have a negative effect, because now were worried we may not find it, that it is so buried. The point is any kind of stress, tension, and worry can make the pain constant, even if we know it's TMS, we can still worry about finding that "repressed emotion" and the pain continues. That is one thing that has always put a barrier into my recovery. I was so worried about finding that repressed emotion, because I kept saying t myslef, how can I find it, if it is repressed? Which in effect only caused me more tension, which added to my fear, worry and stress. It's time to let go, and let the body be at peace so it can heal. JMHO |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 05/18/2008 : 15:54:03
Gez,
There is little question about my allegiance to which method to use, but you have to choose for yourself. The key is remembering and understanding what is causing the problem and what to do about it. |
| gezondheid |
Posted - 05/18/2008 : 12:35:59
In response to Hillbilly,
Thanks for your reaction, short but clear. Only the sentence pick an approach, Weekes or Sarno is not clear for me. I presume you only mean in relation to the symptoms. Because the 2 have a lot alike but have also different ways of curing this disorder.
I also have major problems with the distraction theory and the repressed emotions. Not that repression can't initiate symptoms but more as a signal via the body. And i think you can sort this out what it is. Otherwise the this disorder would be much more widespread. Everybody has repressed things, not only TMS sufferers.
Weekes doesn't refer to repression. Solve your problem she says and break the adrenaline - stress - fear cycle. Calm the nervous system.
Anyway thanks for your short reply.
Gezondheid
Greetings Gezondheid
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| darlin |
Posted - 05/12/2008 : 14:40:48
I had no problem googling the book....... Seven, be nice. :) |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 05/12/2008 : 14:30:54
Is that right, seven?
How about you follow the hyperlink above in the post by AmyAJJ and take out the spaces and see. Unbelievable! I suppose you don't know how to type "At Last a LIfe by Paul David" into a Google search. Sorry for challenging you too much.
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| seven |
Posted - 05/12/2008 : 13:21:57
Hillibilly is full of ****. There is no book titled "At Last a Life" by Paul David
Seven |
| Dave |
Posted - 05/12/2008 : 12:35:27
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Originally posted by la_kevin
I think the anxiety creates the TMS, so it's not "chicken and the egg" for me. I'm clear on the genesis.
Or so you think.
No offense but you don't know that. But it doesn't matter. And that's the key part to understand.
It is easy to drive yourself crazy with analysis. You cannot think your way to recovery. The part of our brain that is responsible for rational thought is completely separate from the primitive part responsible for emotions, and the autonomic part responsible for keeping our chemistry in balance (or not).
Anxiety does not "create" TMS. This train of thought is completely contradictory to Dr. Sarno's theory. You are free to believe what you wish, but then you should not refer to this as TMS. Dr. Sarno firmly believes that anxiety is a symptom, serving the equivalent purpose as pain. It is a chemical reaction induced by the brain that serves to distract us from unconscious rage. When your mind is consumed with anxious thoughts, you are "safe" from feeling the buried emotions that the brain deems too dangerous.
But again, even if you disagree with the finer points of the theory, it doesn't matter. The treatment is the same. "Float" through it. Don't fear it. Don't focus on it. Ultimately it comes down to reconditioning yourself to have different thoughts and reactions when you are aware of the symptoms, be it pain, anxiety, allergies, or any other psychogenic ailment. |
| Hillbilly |
Posted - 05/12/2008 : 08:29:50
Gezonheid,
I am no longer communicating through the forum email. Sorry. Everything you need to recover you already know. If you have read Sarno and Weekes, pick an approach and go with it. Weekes says just get back to living without fearing your symptoms. Very little different from Sarno. |
| AmyAJJ |
Posted - 05/11/2008 : 16:28:00
Elise -
It's on his website:
www . anxietynomore . co . uk/anxiety_q_a.html
Look for the book link on the left. |
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