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Screensize: 640 x 480 800 x 600 1024 x 768 1280 x 1024 UserName: Password: Format Mode: Basic  Help  Prompt  Format: Font Andale Mono Arial Arial Black Book Antiqua Century Gothic Comic Sans MS Courier New Georgia Impact Lucida Console Script MT Bold Stencil Tahoma Times New Roman Trebuchet MS Verdana   Size 1 2 3 4 5 6   Color Black Red Yellow Pink Green Orange Purple Blue Beige Brown Teal Navy Maroon LimeGreen Message: * HTML is OFF * Forum Code is ON Smilies [quote][i]Originally posted by Baseball65[/i] [br]Hi Moose and everybody else. Ya know..that post got me to thinking.....I've never really dealt with that problem head on.I've had a complete recovery from TMS (except for the occasional NEW ploy) but I've never reached some new plateau of self-worth. Perhaps I should read that Gremlin book.I always wait for others to sort through the myriad of literature and wait for the reviews to come in. I guess the only times I have ever had respite from interior self-negativism is when I stopped caring about esteem of any sort.Not to sound like a new age metaphysicist,but when we have "low" self-esteem,that means there is some sort of paradigm or "super-ego" Ideal that we are comparing our current personal value against.It's automatic and involuntary.We look at the world,ourselves,the people around us,stuff and we make distinctions. American culture tends to REALLY emphasize individualism and competitiveness. The only thing that is real is what we feel,but those feelings arise out of the judgements we've made.winner/loser fat/skinny success/failure.....no wonder we're the TMS capital of the world!! So....it would seem the solution to low self-esteem wouldn't be High self esteem....just no esteem. If that's the case ,than the [b][u]Tao Te Ching[/u][/b] would be a great resource for resolution of low self esteem...losing comparisons...here's one of my favs...the third passage/page [i][center] under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness All can know good as good only because there is evil Therefore having and not having arise together difficult and easy compliment each other long and short contrast each other high and low rest upon each other voice and sound harmonize each other front and back follow one another Therefore the sage goes about doing nothing teaching silence The ten thousand things rise and fall without cease creating yet not possessing working,yet taking no credit work is done,then forgotten therefore it lasts forever[/center][/i] the "ten thousand things were Lao-tze's way of meaning "all the distractions of life..people,places,things,work My spiritual "mentor" if you will,once told me [i]"Marc...I hear people complain because thay have low self esteem...I get jealous..I have NO self esteem...one day I'd like to move up to low self esteem just to see what it feels like!"[/i] He was of course being funny,but the further down the road I get,I can see where it has hurt me in a lot of areas of my life...giving up on things I should have followed through on,dodging public events because I'm certain no one will like me,walking around with my tail between my legs or the opposite:cockiness..which is just the jacket low self esteem wears when it goes out in the cold. I've neglected to tell the group/forum that I did see a therapist about a year into the TMS way of life.Not having the pain,I was now angry all the time....I almost punched a guy at work,and I knew I had better get some help. Just talking to someone...anyone about IT is really helpful.Nothing groundbreaking,no epiphanies...just a slowly developing awareness of how my value system was constructed from bottom up. Also [u][b]"the Tao of Pooh"[/b][/u] is a must read,if only for a good laugh.......I'm tigger.....and owl,and piglet and rabbit,but really wished I could be Pooh. no worries no cares no judgement.....just lookin' for his next pot of honey. Let me know if any of the stuff you get resonates and motivates...I'm always looking. Peace Baseball65 [/quote]   Check here to include your profile signature.