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| golden_girl |
Posted - 02/03/2008 : 18:51:39
Well, don't know if I'm opening a can of worms, but Dr Mercola (who may have a point when he mentions emotional problems for physical problems - somewhere in the middle of pushing his diet plans/herbal recommendations etc) mentions the use of Lyrica for fibromyalgia.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/2/2/fibromyalgia-lyrica-and-the-new-york-times.aspx
I'm no expert by any means, but the responses by the general public (if fibromyalgia is what Sarno says it is as I'm sure we all believe) go from the standard to the seemingly bizarre.
Lyme disease?
Fungus?
Mono?
Fluoride poisoning?
It makes for interesting reading...
"Cures" include:
Pulsed Energy Replenisher
Removal of amalgam fillings (a popular choice I have seen in various illnesses)/Huggins Protocol(?!)
Toxins
And this struck a chord with me:
2)The VA acknowledges fibromyalgia exists. It is a common service connected condition for Gulf War vets. Their Rheumatology department has a whole specialty area with groups, and even referral to chiropractic for some patients. If it did not exist, I would find it very hard to believe the VA would be doing this. That is too bizarre that people are saying this.
Who has more stress than a veteran...
(If no one can read it because they're not signed up for his site (ok, I don't know why I am either..) then I can c+p!)
"F.E.A.R.
Forgive Everyone And Remember
For Everything A Reason"
Ian Brown |
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| mizlorinj |
Posted - 02/07/2008 : 14:04:15
ok, some of these responses are way too long so truth be told, I did not read them.
No one doubts merc poisoning or lyme disease. It exists. Question is: why do some get these conditions and others don't?
I agree with emotions in common as stated earlier. You get what you focus on. Or what you worry about.
How about doing additional reading in healing books and not medical reports from the CDC, etc. Their job is to scare you.
-Lori |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 02/07/2008 : 09:04:33
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller14.html
Mercury on the Mind
by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD
by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD
Although they afflict widely different age groups, autism and Alzheimer’s disease share a common cause: mercury. Dr. Boyd Haley, professor and chair of the chemistry department at the University of Kentucky, and Dr. Bernard Rimland, founder of the Autism Research Institute, presented evidence at this year’s Doctors for Disaster Preparedness meeting that connects mercury with these diseases.
This heavy metal is highly poisonous. A Dartmouth professor studying the chemical characteristics of an organic form of mercury – dimethyl mercury – spilled two drops of it on her gloved hand. The first sign of mercury poisoning occurred four months later when her speech began to be slurred. This was followed by difficulty walking and loss of vision. She then fell into a coma and died. Another person, attempting to smelt the silver in dental amalgams he obtained (they are 35 percent silver, 50 percent mercury, and 15 percent tin, zinc, and other metals), heated them in a frying pan. The mercury vapor thus generated killed him quickly. The two other family members in the house at the time also died.
Mercury is one proton (neutron and electron) heavier than gold – the atomic number of gold is 79; mercury, 80. It is distributed throughout the earth’s crust. Unlike other metals, mercury, in its elemental state, is liquid (molten) at room temperature. And it releases a steady stream of gaseous mercury atoms that linger in the atmosphere for months (eventually falling back to earth and its oceans in an inorganic form in rain drops). Even when in a solid state, combined with other metals as an alloy, mercury atoms continually escape into the atmosphere. Once added to latex paint, put in teething powder, used in making hats, as a fungicide on seeds, as an antiseptic (Merthiolate), and as a treatment for syphilis (the cure was worse than the disease), human exposure to mercury today comes principally from three sources: dental amalgams, vaccines, and fish.
Elemental mercury when released by a dental amalgam is inhaled and (80 percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body. Vaccine makers add thimerosal (which is half ethyl mercury) to vaccines to prevent bacterial contamination. This injected organic form of mercury is readily taken up by brain and heart muscle cells. Fish harbor another organic form of mercury – methyl mercury, which is obtained from plankton that synthesize it from inorganic mercury extracted from the sea.
Currently the two most important sources of mercury exposure for Americans are dental amalgams and vaccinations. The Federal government’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Food and Drug Administration (FDA), for reasons not explained, have chosen to ignore this fact. These agencies and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) focus exclusively on mercury in seafood, to the extent that the NIH will not fund studies that address mercury in amalgams and vaccines.
In lockstep with the government, the American Dental Association (ADA) claims that amalgams are safe, and the mercury in them poses no problem. The (government-funded) Institute of Medicine (IOM) and various specialty societies, notably the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP), and the American Medical Association (AMA), say the same thing about mercury in vaccines. There is growing evidence, however, that mercury in vaccines and amalgams cause both autism and Alzheimer’s disease. The CDC and the FDA and the medical establishment, led by its specialty societies, discount or ignore this evidence – evidence that includes privately funded epidemiological studies; research on how mercury damages brain cells grown in culture; animal studies in rodents, sheep, and primates; and clinical studies in children and adults.
Autism was discovered in 1943, in American children, twelve years after ethyl mercury (thimerosal) was added to the pertussis vaccine. (The disease was not seen in Europe until the 1950s, after thimerosal was added to vaccines used there.) In a typical case, shortly before his 2nd birthday a normally developing, healthy boy stops communicating with others and withdraws into himself. He avoids eye contact and becomes strange and aloof. His vision becomes blurred; and he develops various motor disturbances, such as involuntary jerking of the arms and legs and walking on his toes. In addition to these manifestations, Dr. Sallie Bernard and her colleagues, in a study titled, "Autism: A Unique Type of Mercury Poisoning," describe the speech difficulties, unusual behavior (such as unprovoked crying spells and head banging), various degrees of cognitive impairment, gastrointestinal difficulties, and immune difficulties that these autistic children can have. Mercury is most likely a causative factor in other developmental disorders as well, such as delayed speech and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
Investigators have shown that there is a direct relationship between increasing doses of mercury in vaccines and autism. In the 1950s, with an immunization schedule limited to four vaccines (against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, and smallpox), 1 in 10,000 children developed this disease. As vaccines for other diseases were added, health care providers began injecting increasingly larger doses of mercury into children. Those born in 1981 were given 135 micrograms of mercury (on average), and one case of autism occurred in every 2,600 children born that year. With the addition of hepatitis B vaccine (injected on the day of birth) and one for Haemophilus influenzae Type b, providers injected 246 micrograms of mercury into children born in 1996. Autism occurred in one out of every 350 of these children. Today, providers follow an immunization schedule, prepared by the CDC and approved by the AAP and AAFP, that includes 13 vaccines given, with variable numbers of booster shots, 33 times before a child reaches the age of 2 (when the development of the brain is completed). Autism now afflicts 1 in 100 boys and 1 in 400 girls, and physicians diagnose 100,000 new cases of this disease every year in the U.S (using diagnostic criteria, in the DSM-IV, that is more restrictive than the previous DSM-IIIR). Over the last 30 years more than one million children have come down with this disease, and currently one in every 68 families in America has an autistic child.
Mainstream medical journals, like Pediatrics and The New England Journal of Medicine, only publish studies that claim thimerosal is safe. And it turns out that these articles are written in large part by researchers in the pay of vaccine makers, as the Coalition for Safe Minds (Sensible Action For Ending Mercury-Induced Neurological Disorders), a private nonprofit organization, has shown. Editors of these journals will not publish studies that show a link between thimerosal and autism like "Thimerosal in Childhood Vaccines, Neurodevelopment Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States" by Mark and David Geier, which documents a strong association between the amounts of mercury injected in vaccines and autism. Such articles can only find acceptance in alternative (i.e., "politically incorrect") journals like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, where this one was published.
The amount of damage a given dose of mercury can do to the brain (and also the heart) depends on one’s age, sex, and genetically determined ability to excrete mercury. Young children with still developing brains are more susceptible, and males are more vulnerable to a given dose of mercury because testosterone enhances its neurotoxicity. Most important, however, is one’s genetically programmed ability to rid the body of mercury. The brain has a house-cleaning protein that removes dangerous waste products, which comes in three varieties: APO-E2, APO-E3, and APO-E4. The APO-E2 protein can carry 2 atoms of mercury out of the brain; APO-3, one; and AOP-E4, none. The genes we acquire from each parent determine which two we have. People with two APO-E4 proteins (and thus no APO-E2 or -E3) have an 80 percent chance of acquiring Alzheimer’s disease. And according to one study, autistic children have a huge preponderance of APO-E4 protein in their brains.
Alzheimer’s disease was discovered in 1906, again in America, where dentists used mercury-laden amalgams to fill cavities (dentists in Europe largely avoided them). Today, more than 4 million Americans now have Alzheimer’s disease. It afflicts half of people over the age of 85 and 20 percent aged 75 to 84.
The first symptoms of this disease are difficulty concentrating and variable degrees of memory loss, leading ultimately to devastating mental deterioration. The brains of people with Alzheimer’s disease shrink by 25 percent and have distinct pathologic hallmarks (neurofibillary tangles, amyloid plaques, and phosphorylation of tau protein). Brain cells grown in the laboratory develop the same three pathologic findings when exposed to nanomolar (3.6 × 10-10 molar) doses of mercury, an amount approximating that found in the brains of people who have a lot of amalgam fillings.
Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an adult’s brain. An average-sized amalgam filling contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury and releases around 10 micrograms a day. Researchers put radiolabelled mercury amalgams in the teeth of sheep and determined where escaped mercury went with a scanner. They showed that mercury atoms exhaled through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory nerve to the hippocampus, which controls memory, and to other critical areas in the brain. In another study, rats given the same concentration of mercury that people inhale from their amalgams develop the pathologic markers of Alzheimer’s disease. People with Alzheimer’s disease have mercury levels in their brains that are 2 to 3 times higher than that seen in normal people.
The mercury in flu vaccines also plays a role in this disease. One investigator has found that people who received the flu vaccine each year for 3 to 5 years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing Alzheimer’s disease than people who had zero, 1, or 2 shots.
Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not consider, is synergistic toxicity – mercury’s enhanced effect when other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum.
Why do officials at the CDC, FDA, and leaders of the medical and dental establishment discount or ignore all these important facts? Some of them being in the pay of vaccine makers is one reason. The specter of litigation for having sanctioned thimerosal and amalgams and, in the case of the FDA, not doing appropriate safety studies on them is another. But it is more complicated than that. The hypothesis that mercury causes autism and Alzheimer’s disease is a new truth. And as Schopenhauer points out (see my article on him), each new truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. And third, it is accepted as self-evident. The mercury truth is now in the second stage.
In the 1790s Edward Jenner observed that milk maids did not have pock marks on their faces, like people did who had contracted and survived smallpox. Milking cows with cowpox rendered them immune to smallpox. He took fluid from the pustules of infected cows, injected it into children, and found that it protected them, when exposed, from contracting smallpox. The medical establishment of the day dismissed the idea of vaccinating people with cow pus as nonsense; and Sir Joseph Banks, president of the British Royal Society (the IOM of the day), told Jenner that he would ruin his reputation if he tried to publish these findings, which were so much at variance with established knowledge. When other doctors and informed individuals like Thomas Jefferson recognized that "vaccination" did indeed work, its value was, in time, accepted as self-evident. Jenner’s vaccine saved millions of lives and eradicated a disfiguring disease that has a 30 percent mortality rate. (But laboratories in the U.S. and U.S.S.R. preserved the virus that causes smallpox, and we now know that Soviet microbiologists grew vast quantities of it in chicken eggs for use as a biological weapon of mass destruction.)
Today the medical establishment, led by the AAP, AAFP, AMA, CDC, and IOM, has gone to the other extreme. The accepted wisdom now is that vaccines are a panacea. Health care providers start injecting them in infants on the day of birth, and government officials seek to have them made mandatory for all Americans. But some little-discussed facts belie their value. Deaths from diphtheria, for example, declined 90 percent from 1900 to 1930, due to better sanitation and nutrition, before there was a vaccine for this disease. Likewise, the death rate for measles declined 95 percent (13.3 to 0.03 deaths per 100,000 population) between 1915 and 1958, before the vaccine for measles vaccine was introduced in 1963. Viewed from a risk/benefit perspective, providers and government officials downplay the deleterious effects that vaccines can have on one’s health and inflate their benefits. The top medical textbook on the subject is Vaccines, edited by Drs. Plotkin and Orenstein. In the 1999 3rd Edition that I reviewed (a slightly longer 4th Edition was published last year), its authors confine their discussion of mercury in vaccines to two short paragraphs in this 1,230-page book. They do not address concerns that have been raised about its neurotoxicity.
Vaccine manufacturers have started removing thimerosal from vaccines. And for the first time since the state began keeping records on this disease, California has had a decrease, of 6 percent, in the annual number of children over the age of 3 who have been diagnosed with autism. This occurred in children born in 2000, when the phase-out of thimerosal in vaccines began. Iowa has passed a law banning thimerosal in that state, and California has done the same thing for pregnant women and children under 3 (the bill awaits the governor’s signature). But pharmaceutical companies still add thimerosal in their Flu vaccines; and pediatricians are vaccinating children with their remaining supply of thimerosal-containing vaccines, which the FDA has chosen not to recall.
Taking mercury out of vaccines would substantially reduce the incidence of autism, but this alone will not eliminate the disease. Giving too many vaccines over too short a time to infants whose nervous system is not yet fully developed can also trigger autism and its spectrum of disorders. As Dr. Blaylock has shown (see Recommended Reading below), multiple vaccines given close together over-stimulate the brain’s immune system and, via the mechanism of "bystander injury," destroy brain cells.
Avoiding flu shots that contain thimerosal, and having dentists stop implanting mercury amalgams in people’s mouths would lower the incidence of Alzheimer’s disease. If you have amalgam fillings, particularly if there is a family history of Alzheimer’s disease, you might consider having them removed. Be sure to have a dentist do it who follows the protocol established by The International Academy of Oral Medicine & Toxicology for safely removing them.
For the third source of mercury, follow the CDC’s advice and don’t eat mercury-contaminated fish, especially if you are pregnant because mercury in your bloodstream crosses the placenta and is concentrated in the fetus’ brain.
Recommended Reading – in addition to the online links provided above
An excellent review of thimerosal and autism, titled "Mercury in Medicine – Taking Unnecessary Risks," is to be found, of all places, in the Congressional Record. Prepared by its Subcommittee on Human Rights and Wellness, this report was presented to the Committee on Government Reform, chaired by Congressman Dan Burton (who has an autistic grandson). Congressional Record, May 21, 2003, E1011–E1030.
SafeMinds president, Lyn Redwood, presented testimony at a Congressional hearing held on September 8, 2004 that exposes malfeasance by the CDC and FDA related to thimerosal. It is titled "Truth Revealed: New Scientific Discoveries Regarding Mercury in Medicine and Autism" and is posted on their website, safeminds.org. See also this organization’s 84-page Report to Congress titled, "A Brief Analysis of Recent Efforts in Medical Mercury Induced Neurological and Autism Spectrum Disorders" (September 8, 2004).
"The Three Modern Faces of Mercury" – in fish, vaccines, and dental amalgams – by Thomas Clarkson in Environmental Health Perspectives Volume 110 | Supplement 1 | February 2002 | pages 11–23. This study provides an current-day perspective on mercury exposure, post Calomel, Merthiolate, and Mad Hatters.
If your dentist parrots the American Dental Association stance on this subject and says that "silver" – i.e., mercury – amalgams are perfectly safe, insist that he or she read Dr. Boyd Haley’s response to the president of the ADA on his defense of dental amalgams. It is posted on this website. I sent it to my dentist who I had been going to for a number of years. When he chose to ignore it, I changed dentists – to a mercury-free one and had him remove all my amalgam fillings.
"Mercury: the Silent Killer," Chapter 3 in Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life by Russell L. Blaylock, M.D. As a board-certified neurosurgeon, Dr. Blaylock, like me, is a member of the medical establishment. He now, however, studies and writes about wellness and complementary/alternative medicine on a full-time basis.
Are Vaccines Safe and Effective? by Neil Z. Miller (2002). This 78-page (paperback) book is well worth reading, especially if you have children or if you are being pressured to get a flu shot.
For a comprehensive review, with 167 scientific references, on how vaccines damage infants’ and soldiers’ brains (Gulf War Syndrome) when given too close together, see Dr. Blaylock’s "Interaction of Cytokines, Excitotoxins, Reactive Nitrogen and Oxygen Species in Autism Spectrum Disorders" in the Journal of the American Nutraceutical Association (JANA 2003;6[4]:21–35). See also his study, "Chronic Microglial Activation and Excitotoxicity Secondary to Excessive Immune Stimulation: Possible Factors in GulfWar Syndrome and Autism" in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (JAPS 2004;9[2]:46–52). Dr. Blaylock has written a simplified version of these studies for the general public titled "Vaccines: the Hidden Dangers," in his Blaylock Wellness Report (Vol. 1, No. 1), which is published monthly and can be purchased online.
September 29, 2004
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| 2scoops |
Posted - 02/07/2008 : 08:58:19
http://harvardmagazine.com/2004/05/mercury-on-the-brain.html
Heavy Metal Blues
Mercury on the Brain
The pregnant women did not worry about their food. They simply ate it: chunks of fresh whale meat and pounds of fish. They ate it because they were hungry. They ate it as their mothers had, as their ancestors had, for centuries. They did not know the meat carried an invisible poison that would damage their unborn babies' brains and disrupt the beating of their hearts.
Today those babies, born on the Danish Faroe Islands in the North Atlantic, are teenagers—and living testaments to mercury poisoning. In two recent papers published in the Journal of Pediatrics, Philippe Grandjean, adjunct professor of environmental health at the School of Public Health, has begun unraveling mercury's toxic effect on their brains.
His results confirm that children appear most at risk in the womb, where mercury seems to deform the brain's fragile architecture and upset the maturation and migration of brain cells. But Grandjean also found that mercury could threaten children's nervous systems well into adolescence. "What we are finding out is that mercury is very parallel to lead," Grandjean says. "Such pollutants are particularly worrisome because, once they've done the damage to the developing brain, the child will have to live with that for the rest of his life.''
Grandjean's work, one of the first prospective studies of mercury-exposed children, began almost 20 years ago. He and colleagues from Europe and Japan identified 1,022 Faroese children who were particularly vulnerable to mercury because their mothers' diets included pilot whale meat, a traditional—and often highly contaminated—Faroese food. Researchers measured mercury in the pregnant women's hair before the children's births; some had up to 50 times more mercury than the average U.S. mother. When the children were seven years old, researchers measured mercury levels in their hair and blood, measured their heart rates, and tested developmental variables like the speed at which their brains responded to auditory signals. The examinations were repeated at age 14.
Grandjean reports that mercury seems to slow the brain's response to sound. Somewhere along the transmission line—from ear to auditory nerve to brain—the signal is delayed. Some children's autonomic systems also seem less able to regulate heart-rate variations. The changes seem irreparable, Grandjean says. "At age seven, we saw that the more mercury they were exposed to in the womb, the worse they were off in terms of language skills, attention span, motor speed, things like that." Seven years later, there was no evidence that the children's bodies had recovered or compensated for the damage. What's more, the data suggest that as the children matured and began eating mercury-tainted whale meat and other seafood themselves, the brain damage continued—even at relatively low exposure levels. "Our concern is that we are now seeing evidence that the brain's susceptibility is not just limited to the fetal period,'' says Grandjean. "The brain is still vulnerable throughout childhood and into the teenage period. This is an entirely new observation.''
In the United States and other nations, mercury's harmful effects have been known for years. It is outlawed in thermometers and regulated by environmental agencies; pregnant mothers are warned away from potentially contaminated seafood. Still, mercury hasn't fueled the same public outcry as lead, a neurotoxin with a devastating and well-documented legacy. In fact, critics of Grandjean's study charge that there is little cause for alarm because most of the rest of the world doesn't share the Faroese taste for whale.
Grandjean disagrees. First, he says, whales aren't the only animals that "bio-accumulate" the poison. Across the globe, for example, inorganic mercury is belched into the atmosphere in smoke from coal-fired electricity plants and garbage incinerators. (China, for example, fuels its booming economy with a mercury-rich form of coal and is one of the chief mercury polluters.) It returns to earth in rain, where microorganisms absorb it. Small fish graze on the microorganisms; larger fish, like mackerel, eat the grazers; and then top marine predators such as whales, sharks, tuna, and swordfish eat the mackerel. Because this grand digestive process doesn't reduce or expel mercury, it concentrates in fish at the apex of the food chain—where humans often dine. Freshwater fish also accumulate the heavy metal, especially in New England, which has become a landing zone for air-borne mercury from power plants in the Midwest.
Grandjean stresses that his research also underscores a more disturbing picture: of humans adrift in a sea of potentially brain-damaging chemicals they have manufactured but don't fully understand. "This is much more serious than telling pregnant women to avoid eating canned tuna fish," he says. "There are about 150 substances I can recite that are known to be toxic to the human brain. Out of those substances... we've looked at three—lead, mercury, and PCBs [polychlorinated biphenyls]."
Grandjean believes other chemicals that haven't yet been thoroughly researched share mercury's toxic traits. He worries that governments and health organizations will be slow to realize new threats to young brains, and he speaks from experience. In the 1970s, as a medical student studying lead poisoning, he sat through government hearings as the United States faced a poison that seemed ubiquitous: in lead-based paints, gasoline, and leaded cans and pipes. It took nearly a decade before meaningful laws were passed phasing the metal out of such products. "There was tremendous resistance to regulating lead," Grandjean remembers. "I also see resistance to regulating mercury. Are we going to take another 20 years to look at another chemical? We have to find a way to use our best judgment and eliminate the types of exposures that can harm the nervous system. You don't get a second chance to build your brain."
The part I bolded sure sounds like part of the autism spectrum to me!
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| 2scoops |
Posted - 02/06/2008 : 13:41:04
I would think any chemist and doctor knows that mercury is a neurotoxin. I'm not sure if your familiar with the term mad as a hater, but in the 1930's they used mercury in the felt process to make hats. Many people who worked in these factories displayed health problems. Not everyone can excrete mercury, and it can stick in the brain and cause different health problems. This is nothing new.
Then you have silver amalgams in people's mouth that can cause mercury vapors into the brain. Overtime they can cause health problems. Not in everyone, but in some people. The video links I posted above show how, I don't need to prove anything.Yes I believe in Jesus, and I know somehow that makes you angry and you have to disprove everything I say.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/22/eveningnews/main625458.shtml
http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/vaccine_autism_link_feared.htm
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews/July2001/AutismUniqueMercPoison.htm
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/07/01/autism_mercury_and_politics/
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/9/9/124802.shtml
I also want you to remeber all the research you have read from the FDA and CDC, are the ones who approve of the same back surgeries out there. There is overwhelming evidence out there, it's all about who you choose to believe. If you would like I'll post more info, but I doubt you would read it, as you probably have your mind made up. You have the choice to vaccinate. |
| armchairlinguist |
Posted - 02/05/2008 : 12:27:30
quote:
I do believe in mercury poisoning. I believe that's why we have a rise in autism,
They just recently did some large studies that strongly suggested there is no link between thimoseral (the mercury-based preservative in vaccines) and autism. It was a speculative link to begin with, from a study now retracted, exacerbated by parental hysteria. Plus, the danger from the diseases they vaccinate against dwarfs the risk of negative reaction to vaccination once enough kids have parents who opt out.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/health_science/articles/2004/03/09/researchers_retract_on_autism_measles_vaccine_link/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12949291?dopt=Abstract
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080107181551.htm
http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/division/generic.jsp?id=75751
It's really a bit ridiculous to say that you "believe in" this. It's science, not religion. Cite some studies -- not unhappy parents. The plural of anecdote is not data.
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It's not 100% belief that's required, but 100% commitment. |
| mk6283 |
Posted - 02/04/2008 : 21:59:05
There are lists of these same 25 or so diseases of unknown etiology that everyone seems to attribute to their own "theory". In reading about prion disorders the other day, the author speculated that the same list of disorders mentioned on your mercury website (ALS, MS, etc.) were possibly caused by prions. Let me just say that I think that is far more likely than mercury having any such effects. There have been many "reputable" studies that have explored the effects of mercury intoxication and none of these disorders has ever been shown to be correlated with it. When people are desperate and they want answers, they want treatments, they tend to find these things like mercury, candidiasis, chronic lyme disease, etc. that all strive to explain symptoms that are otherwise unexplainable. Some people even find improvement when treating such problems, however, this is almost certainly a placebo effect. For me personally, unexplainable symptoms, syndromes, and even disorders are TMS until proven otherwise.
Best,
MK |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 02/04/2008 : 21:19:13
Lidge, there is a proper protocol to remove mercury fillings. Your lucky they didn't put the mercury in your mouth. My dad had some fillings fall out, and he is suffering the consequences from it. Many dentists still use the amalgam because it is cheaper and easier for them to put in. |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 02/04/2008 : 21:14:06
Dr. Ziggles, there's plenty of research that mercury causes the problems I have listed above. You think the CDC and FDA are going to come out and say, hey, my product causes health problems. Your medical, you do realize that mercury is the 2nd most toxic element in our environment? Do you really believe research done by the FDA?
Bro, many parents all ready know the truth. Unfortunately their voices get wiped out by big pharma. I'm glad Jenny McCarthy is speaking out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ylnQ-T7oiA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfVsUuhoFWY&feature=related
www.noamalgam.com
You know what's funny? There's an old dentist office around my area, they were cleaning it out, and found mercury in it. There was a daycare center in the same office and they evacuated the bldg. Men came in chemical protection gear, and they removed it. That same amount of mercury they removed could be found in a person with 8-10 amalgams. Why have some countried banned the amalgams, why are some states in the process of getting them banned?
Why treat the root problems, when Wal-Mart has $4 prescrpitions, help is on the way! God bless the pharmacuetical industry.
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| golden_girl |
Posted - 02/04/2008 : 17:18:37
I agree Vikki. That's what I meant - the chronicity of Lyme Disease as a reason, not whether it exists or not.
"F.E.A.R.
Forgive Everyone And Remember
For Everything A Reason"
Ian Brown |
| vikki |
Posted - 02/04/2008 : 17:05:37
Lyme disease exists too -- it is carried by ticks, causes a rash, and is treatable with antibiotics. My brother-in-law got it after being bitten by a tick. He got a rash. It cleared up after taking antibiotics for a brief period. There was no pain involved -- only an annoying rash. There were also no lingering symptoms -- once it was gone, it was gone. It is not a chronic condition. I don't think there's anything controversial about the existence of Lyme disease.
The controversial claim is that Lyme disease can somehow start causing chronic pain years after treatment. Or that Lyme disease is the cause of chronic pain in people who don't remember ever being bitten by a tick, or getting the rash. My understanding (based on extensive research at the time) is that most docs don't believe this claim. There are various communities of people who believe they have "chronic Lyme" disease, and they pass around a list of doctors who are "aware" of this kind of Lyme disease.
I know less about heavy metal poisoning. My guess is that it's unlikely to be the cause of most fibromyalgia-like pain. Back when I researched the symptoms of it, they involved true neurological problems (like paralysis), not "just pain" which is what I had.
I guess my point is that these things may exist -- but that doesn't mean they explain most cases of pain. For the most part, I would bet that the pain sufferer is grasping for an explanation. |
| lidge |
Posted - 02/04/2008 : 16:08:07
The removal of mercury fillings is actually more dangerous than leaving them alone due to the release of mercury vapors which are inhaled. It's even safer to swallow one as the stomach does not absorb mercury well.
Silver fillings are less expensive than the white composite ones - so I do wonder why I have not had a dentist put in a silver amalgam in years- even for back teeth where you don't see the silver.
Very amusing that the religion vs. science argument is being made on a TMS board- virtually nothing discussed here has been subjected to the rigors of scientific testing.
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| drziggles |
Posted - 02/04/2008 : 15:45:17
What does it mean that you "believe" in mercury poisoning? This isn't religion, it's science. There's, at least so far, no evidence of a link between mercury from vaccines and autism, or fillings and the other things you've mentioned...
Why mercury and not something else, if there's no evidence for any of it? It's true that not everything is TMS, but there ought to be some evidence for links or causality before people start getting scared about probable benign exposures... |
| 2scoops |
Posted - 02/04/2008 : 10:21:37
I do believe in mercury poisoning. I believe that's why we have a rise in autism, Alzheimer's, bi-polar, psizcophrenia, MS, etc. I see nothing wrong with someone recommending the removal of mercury filling from your mouth. That is one of the biggest exposure we face from mercury poisoning. I believe we all know that when mercury gets into the brain, it affects does produce symptoms, like anger and anxiety. Not all is always TMS. |
| golden_girl |
Posted - 02/03/2008 : 19:10:32
I've never heard of Lyme Disease in the UK (I assume it does exist, and I've now seen websites to "prove it") but I think my main reasoning (wrong or right!) is that the only thing people could have in common (although very specific to themselves to the point of uniqueness) is emotions. How could EVERYONE who might suffer from fibromyalgia etc etc be exposed to the same chemicals/tooth fillings/tick/fluoride..? When we live so far apart? And some have responses and some don't?
(I realise that MAY be possible, it just seems simpler to me that everyone has emotions in common and not external entities...)
Congratulations Vikki on going through the minefield and being painfree!!!
"F.E.A.R.
Forgive Everyone And Remember
For Everything A Reason"
Ian Brown |
| vikki |
Posted - 02/03/2008 : 19:00:46
Wow, that brought back memories! When I was at my worst a few years ago, and no doctor could find anything objectively wrong in a test, I started investigating really bizarre causes for my pain. At one point, I was convinced that it might be Lyme disease, caused by a possible tick bite while hiking in Europe years ago. (I don't remember getting bitten by a tick, but I thought it might explain why I tested negative for Lyme in the U.S. -- I think I read back then that the European version of Lyme is slightly different.) I also looked at lead or mercury poisoning, West Nile virus, and a variety of other completely ridiculous things. Sounds nuts to me now!! When you are desperate, you'll grasp at far-fetched explanations. Back then, a couple of docs told me that I had fibromyalgia, while others disagreed. I am completely fine now, thanks to Sarno :) |
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