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| skizzik |
Posted - 01/01/2008 : 20:14:42
found this on spine-health.com. I should'nt be there, not sure why I checked out a structural site. but this was encouraging.
Thoracic disc herniation
A herniated disc in the upper back can occur when the inner gelatinous material of an intervertebral disc leaks out of the inside of the disc. A thoracic herniated disc can cause upper back pain and other symptoms, such as radiating pain or numbness. The specific symptoms are usually different depending on where the disc herniates, as the herniated disc material in the upper back can either impinge on an exiting nerve root or on the spinal cord itself.
Thoracic disc disease is conceptually similar to disc disorders in the cervical and lumbar spine, but symptomatic lesions are far less common. The most common location for thoracic disc disorders is at the thoracolumbar junction (T8-T12) in the mid back. The true incidence is unknown because many thoracic disc disorders are asymptomatic and they comprise only a very small percent of all disc operations. In one study, 90 asymptomatic patients (with no pain or other symptoms) were evaluated with thoracic MRI scans and these were the findings:
73% of patients were found to have disc abnormalities in the upper back
37% had thoracic disc herniations
29% had radiographic evidence of spinal cord compression.
These patients were followed for 26 months and none of them became symptomatic from their thoracic disc disorders1. The fact that so many people had thoracic disc herniations but no pain or symptoms is important to mention, as it shows that people may have both upper back pain and a thoracic herniated disc, but that the disc disorder may not be the cause of the upper back pain – it may just be an incidental finding. In fact, there are many causes of upper back pain that are much more common than a herniated disc, and a correct diagnosis of the cause of the patient’s pain is more important than whether or not an MRI scan shows a thoracic disc herniation.
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| scottjmurray |
Posted - 01/03/2008 : 20:04:23
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That's why TMS is so hard to overcome- you are being constantly tricked, over and over, by the one person in the world who knows you better than anyone else - you.
You hit the nail on the head, homie.
www. tms-recovery.com
A collection of articles on emotions, lifestyle changes, and TMS theory. |
| qso |
Posted - 01/02/2008 : 21:59:35
I only found this site after recovering but I feel a duty to help maintain everyone's faith because it is easy to lose it when it seems like nothing is working and no results are forthcoming when you have put in so much effort.
Just a couple of months ago I got so frustrated that I was ready to take out a loan, go to a spinal surgery institute in Florida and declare "I'm yours, here's the money, cut me open as soon as you can!". Luckily this horrible thought came on a Friday afternoon so I had to wait until the Monday to make any phone calls. In the meantime I read and researched more over that weekend and realized that I had again fallen prey to the phoney science and propaganda on these back surgery websites so by the time Monday came around I had come to my senses.
An example of opposing view points of the same phenomenon:
A website selling natural remedies to fix bone spurs says:
"The reason for bone spur formation is that the body is trying to increase the surface of the joint to better distribute weight across a joint surface that has been damaged by arthiritus or other conditions. Unfortunately this doesn't work and the bone spur can become restrictive and painful."
The TMS of view of this is: Of course it's painful! That's the entire purpose of the bone spur!
The conventional view is bizarre - if the brain can regenerate bone (which it indeed can) why doesn't it just repair the damage properly, and for every case of arthiritus? (i.e. there should be no such thing as arthiritus)..that is what the brain does when parts of the body are damaged and the repair is usually pretty good because it is following the same software. Why would the brain suddenly forget how to repair a joint? The writer's tone implies that the brain is quite dumb in its efforts and he/she seems quite disappointed. Also note that the "other conditions" really translates as "well we couldn't really see any arthiritis in some cases and actually we couldn't really see any damage at all but there MUST be SOME kind of physical deterioration for there to be a bone spur".
The TMS view is that the brain is a master of trickery and knows how to deliberately cause pain and bring down the host body in a variety of ways. And it knows your personality, it knows what your on-the-spot opinions are about everything (like e.g. back surgery and bone spurs), and therefore how to trick you, because it *is* you, the other you.
That's why TMS is so hard to overcome- you are being constantly tricked, over and over, by the one person in the world who knows you better than anyone else - you.
QSO
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| skizzik |
Posted - 01/02/2008 : 15:20:22
I think I like your new presence here qso |
| qso |
Posted - 01/01/2008 : 23:09:21
Hi
You are doing the right thing to read the structural sites because it will help you to understand why conventional treaments for chronic pain are scientifically flawed. As long as you read with a critical eye and don't get fooled by the propaganda (I did many times) it will actually help you towards your conviction that the brain is creating the problem. It is already wired up to every part of your body and can tweak anything without your conscious intervention.
The correct scientific way a structural treatment should be adminsitered is to compile a data base of say 10,000 random people who do NOT have chronic pain and tabulate the probabilities of having certain abonormalities but no pain symptoms. The doctor should then tell a patient something like 'your MRI shows blah..and from our data base there is an X% probability that your pain is NOT due to blah'. Nobody does this. Instead the patient is given a 100% probability that their pain is due to blah which is manifestly unscientific.
As Dr. Sarno says in his latest book, this process is criminal.
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