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| Charlize |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 11:37:24
My TSH is "dangerously low" as described by my doctor - .06 and I'm wondering if it could be categorized as TMS? I don't have all the typical hyperthyroid symptoms - only tremor, anxiety, slight weight loss, always hungery and thirsty but that's it. I'm thin (always have been) and metabolize food quickly. My TSH was fine until July when it suddenly dropped to .12 and now .06. I asked the doctor if this could have been caused by stress and she of course said no, but I have been under a lot of pressure since the summer, well pressure that I've put on myself actually. Before this I had low back pain and before the back pain, I had right knee pain. PLEASE HELP - ANYONE!! |
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| Penny |
Posted - 01/09/2008 : 21:36:03
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Originally posted by lidge
Penny-
Do you feel that your Hashimotos and any pain you may have are unrelated ailments? Did your pain start when your thyroid issues started?
Hi Lidge,
It was really hard to determine b/c I had so many Sx and messed up thyroid labs, so they really overlapped. Once my thyroid was treated and I maintained better levels, I still had Sx of other illness and when I discovered TMS info I did the TMS work and sx eventually resolved. I had so many sx though, so I can't say definitively what was what.
Penny |
| lidge |
Posted - 01/05/2008 : 17:41:29
Not TMS! Go to an endocrinologist and get this treated appropriately.
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Dr. Ziggles- who are you replying to? Is it Charlize with her back and knee pain? Penny? Me?
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| drziggles |
Posted - 01/04/2008 : 15:04:25
Not TMS! Go to an endocrinologist and get this treated appropriately. |
| lidge |
Posted - 12/31/2007 : 10:23:27
Penny-
I was told I had Hashimotos by one endo based on high thyroglobulin antibodies. The TPO were in range. My TSH had fallen but then went back up. My T3 and T4 were normal. I was handed a sheet that said Hashimotos causes muscle aches, however the endo said as my labs were normal - my pain was not from Hashimotos. She told me to see an orthapedist (LOL).
Do you feel that your Hashimotos and any pain you may have are unrelated ailments? Did your pain start when your thyroid issues started? |
| Penny |
Posted - 12/29/2007 : 23:19:06
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Originally posted by Charlize
I have another appointment with an endocrinologist on March 3rd but I'm sure he'll just going to put me on medication which I don't want to do as it's just covering up the symptoms and not dealing with the problem itself. I can't stand conventional doctors and now I'm in the system so it's all a little scary.
Hi Charlize,
This board is more about symptoms and ailments that are psychosomatic in nature, and not organic dysfuncion, which is what I suspect might be occuring with your thyroid. It's really hard to tell so it's important you see your doctor.
Having said that, I've successfully navigated my thyroid disease amidst many TMS symptoms and can share a few things for you. I really believe that body function is very much influenced by our mind, but there are many other things that influence body function (diet, exercise, environment etc.).
It's good you have an appt with an endo. They will hopefully test you for antibodies to see if you have an auto-immune disorder that may be causing your change in TSH. Personally, I have hashimoto's which is most often associated with underactive thyroid {hypothyroidism} but also can have spurts of over activity {hyperthyroidism}. They will also test you for Grave's disease. Don't be intimidated by these diseases, as many people have them and are successfully treated.
As for your thyroid, if you need medicine this is not a bad thing, if your body is making too much thyroid hormone, medine can help you feel normal. Also, since you mention you are trying to get pregnant, making sure you have optimal thyroid hormones in your body is really important for a healthy pregnancy. A great resource I found is patient advocate Mary Shomon, her books and Web site. She even has a section for pregnancy. One of her books you might be interested in is _Hyperthyroidism What Your Doctor Doesn't Tell You That You Need to Know_. You can get it in the library. (Make sure to get the most recent version as she updated and re-released it recently.)
Hang in there and make sure to read up on thyroid so you'll know what to ask for and best options for medicine.
Best of luck and health to you!
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"Feeling will get you closer to the truth of who you are than thinking."
~ Eckhart Tolle
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| MAbbott |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 21:31:11
I think it is important to follow up on the traditional medicine avenue in order to rule out any true disease. While I am not a dr., it just sounds as if you have several things going on at once. Following the Sarno approach is not going to hurt you at all - everyone has stress related issues that manifest physically - but in your case, I think it would be wise to stay in touch with your dr's and not try too much self diagnosing.
Mabbott |
| Charlize |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 14:54:16
Lidge - Thank you so much for your response! This is honestly the first time I have ever posted on a forum before and it's great to get ideas from other people!
In answer to your question, I'm 31 years old and have always been thin that's why the weight loss is a little scary as I can't afford to lose any weight, and I'm trying to get pregnant which is making all of this very iritating. I managed to gain a couple pounds over Christmas though which is great - I just hope it stays on! I've had the anxiety, menstrual irregularities and slight tremors for a couple years now, so maybe my thyroid has always been a problem and is just showing in my blood work now.
I've been seeing a chinese medicine doctor and even she's confused as I'm not a typical hyperthyroid person (ie: heart palpations, feeling hot, sweating, hair loss), in fact, I'm always cold, never sweat but I feel like I've been given a shot of adrenaline daily and metabolize everything so quickly, hence being hungry all the time. I have to eat every couple hours.
I have another appointment with an endocrinologist on March 3rd but I'm sure he'll just going to put me on medication which I don't want to do as it's just covering up the symptoms and not dealing with the problem itself. I can't stand conventional doctors and now I'm in the system so it's all a little scary.
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| lidge |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 13:24:10
Charlize-
I recently experienced something similar. My TSH dipped to about where yours is. Then it went back up. At the same time, I have experienced pain I thought may be related (for many many months actually). You may be on the way to becoming hypothyroid (the opposite) which is common in middle aged women (not sure about your age). I too was told by an endocrinologist that stress would not account for this- however I have read in many reliable places that stress does indeed affect thyroid function.
I am in a quandary too as hypothyroid symptoms do include muscle pain-
however the doctor told me that as my TSH went back up that would not account for pain. Of course TSH can change quite frequently.
I have read Sarno's books and he certainly looks at autoimmune reactions (such as autoimmune thyroiditis, rheumatoid arthritis) as a severe form of mind-body disorder. I know in MBP he sees TMS as a separate entity from autoimmune disorders, but with similar psychological causes.
I fear that this is a question with no good answer. If you go to a a traditional doctor or endo, he will dismiss stress and all psychological factors. If you go to a believer in TMS, they will likely dismiss any physical cause. This leaves us in a very uncomfortable place - endless uncertainty.
The symptoms you mention are indeed hyperthyroid symptoms - anxiety, weight loss- Are these new symptoms - you say you have always been thin - but is the anxiety and tremors etc. new to you?
If they are, you should see someone knowledgable about thyroid. Unfortunately endocrinologists are amongst the most close minded of all the specialties. If you have a GP you trust, maybe you could discuss the TSH situation with him/her. Be sure to mention that you have been under stress and that you feel this may be part of it.
I wish you luck Charlize- its so much harder for those of us who do find things wrong.
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