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| hotshot468 |
Posted - 11/11/2004 : 12:19:56
Hey Guys! I have been here before, but it has been a while. I have had chronic backpain/sciatica for 4 years no and no end in site. Has anyone had pain deep in there butt muscle and the pain travels down your legs to your foot. I have read Sarnos books and they seem to help relieve the pain but it never went away! Somedays are worse than others, but today is horrible.
Any ideas and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
hotshot468 |
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 11/14/2004 : 09:28:58
Dear Hotshot,
An addendum to my previous post to you. You asked about why your friends who had surgery are doing better? The answer to that is also contained in MBP. Sarno says that surgery is a placebo effect. It is probably the most powerful one available. Sarno says that the TMS spot may be "cured" by the surgery, but unless the underlying emotional/psychological issues are dealt with, the pain will return in a new area.
I would not delibertely point this out to your friends as it may undermine the positive placebo effects of the surgery. But if you see that they are suffering new pains you may want to gently suggest Sarno to them.
I am continualy amazed, that whenever I crack open my Sarno, I get new insights into TMS, that I missed in my numerous prior readings.
I still suggest to anyone who continues to be in pain, to keep reading your Sarno. THE ANSWERS ARE IN THERE. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 11/13/2004 : 19:54:44
Dear Hotshot,
I wrote a post this morning, that thanks to a little TMS'y tension, my finger slipped and it disappeared into a cyberspace blackhole.
I'll try to resurect it tonight. I made a few suggestions in my earlier post to you. Let me reinterate, go to page 26 of MBP and look at the Rahe-Holmes list of life's stress creating events, both negative and positive, that create internal rage and TMS dis-ease. I can find several that apply to me. Can you find any that apply to you and are causing your TMS pain?
The TMS gremlin is a sneaky guy. I've read Sarno's books numerous times and kept glossing over the section on hips, my TMS hot-spot. I finally re-read it and understood that TMS applied to me.
Perhaps the gremlin invades this forum too, and tricks us into passing over the posts that may apply to us all.
I have been in TMS pain for nearly ten years. I am 100% "cured" for normal everyday activities like sitting, sleeping, driving, and walking. I am very greatful to be so fourtunate, and I owe that to TMS thinking. Not to mention, the greater gift of psycholgical and emotional health and well being that is the greatest gift from studying the good doctor's books.
The only area I am not 100% is running on the tennis court. I have been able to jog occasionaly after about a 10 minute warmup. It can take a while to completely re-condition the mind, to believe that the pain is not due to damage. I am using a new mantra. With each step I take, I say to myself, that I am not wearing away the cartelege in my hip joint-the pain is due to TMS and minor oxygen deprivation to the muscles in my hip.
It is a bit difficult to say all this to myself while also trying to run after and hit a tennis ball that can be moving over 100 miles an hour. I am just starting to use this technique and am hopeful that it will do the trick. I think it may take some time to re-condition my mind and then re-condition my hip.
I accept that some pain is normal to the aging process, even if you live in California, where aging is a crime. That's what all that, why is youth wasted on the youth stuff is all about.
Hotshot, so in closing, look at the list on page 26 of MBP and check off which of life event's apply to you.
Best wishes and good luck,
tt |
| Baseball65 |
Posted - 11/13/2004 : 17:00:16
My first TMS attack was when I was 6 years old.My mom was going on a 3 month european trip leaving me alone with a babysitter,4 or 5 months after my father had died,and my brother and sister were away at summer camp.I was playing basketball alone in the backyard and my neck "froze"...the pain was unbearable and I was bedridden for weeks,and wore one of those neck braces.I never played basketball again with an easy mind!
So...age 6 to 32?? what's that? 26 years????
It's always easy to look back with the benefit of hindsight to see what was going on inside of us when the attacks occur,but while they are going on we are completely unaware.
I really don't want to swap war stories,but suffice it to say,I've had TMS my whole life,though at the time I recovered from TMS I had been being treated by the "system" for 6 years.Hmmmm I had also been a father for 5 and a half.....
The camouflage seems to be particularly thick in places....It's like OCD...a disease of doubt..constant checking and re-checking...a sense of impending doom..."but what if ------ was right"?
dig a little deeper,scream,shout get angry,go for a walk alone somewhere beautiful and quiet.... you might find yourself digging,and forget what you were digging for....it's not the treasure chest that makes it go away...it's the digging.
I have no clue as to how my mind works at the deepest level.But My nails are black from digging.
You're right on time Jimmy
peace
Baseballman
Baseball65 |
| hotshot468 |
Posted - 11/13/2004 : 14:48:24
Baseball65 -- Question -- How long were you in pain. I have been in pain for almost 4 years. Sometimes worse than others, but always some kind of pain. Thanks for your response. Jimmy |
| Baseball65 |
Posted - 11/13/2004 : 12:03:20
Hi
sorry.....
Monte and Dave are both correct.Focusing on the symptomology is counter productive,as It's just the symptom.
I was just trying to "relate" or "identify" so hotshot knew that others of us who are 100% had the same symptoms.When I saw the sentence that Dave quoted,I cringed a little as well.
I had just wrote a pump-me-up on the other string and NEVER mentioned that I had suffered the same.For all he knew,I had a knuckle pain.I was just illuminating what the process weeded out.
I used to sit and write journals and make lists of things that might be bugging me...than I'd define what was bugging me,and re-define it again...anger distilling.Prompted by suggestions from the book,I got way in there.
I always had a deep down RAGE that being a good little league coach,participating father,good worker bee husband deprived me of my chance to be a Rock Star,and imbibe in the hedonistic life that I grew up with and assumed as a birthright.I also didn't like that my sex-kitten wife who used to worship me,now barely noticed I breathed.I resented the loss,but was morally bound to never cheat on her(the super-parent)though all my bandmates did all the time.Their backs didn't hurt either."The tyranny of the SHOULD"
I should be a good father
I should be a good husband
I should go to my job instead of rehearsal
I should be a nice guy
I shouldn't care that My 7day a week sextoy is now my sons mother
and is tired all the time
I shouldn't care that this job that I hate,pays more money then what I really want to do.
etc ad infinitum ad nauseum
According to the good Dr.,if it's subconscious we may never know the exact process,but there is a direct correspondence to introspective work,and the recovery process.I wrote reems of anger journals.
I stand corrected
Baseball
Baseball65 |
| Dave |
Posted - 11/13/2004 : 08:39:12
quote:
Originally posted by hotshot468
If a herniated disk is pressing on a nerve it is going to hurt not be numb.
This part of your message is a bright red flag. Clearly you still have a very strong belief that your pain is structural in nature. You can read Sarno's book 1,000 times but if you still believe this, it won't matter. |
| Monte |
Posted - 11/13/2004 : 08:09:40
news flash...
guys, seriously, reading and re-reading this and that is not going to
get rid of tms or any type of tension induced pain.
yes, of course you need to know the cause, repressed emotions,
and yes you need to remember the basics of using the pain as a signal
to "think psychologically", but you know this...you really do already know this...so stop denying, resisting and avoiding what you
really need to do to heal...and that is paying attention to who you are being...finding out what you are afraid of---because fear is behind any and all resentment, anger, jealousy..ect...ect...
To do this you must get with yourself...just you and the other parts of you...you know the part of you that is so controlling, the part of you that is super-parent, the part of you that is striving to be the best at everything...spend your time/energy getting to really know these parts and you will begin the transformation away from pain. |
| Baseball65 |
Posted - 11/12/2004 : 18:39:18
Hey Brother...I never told you what my symptoms were.
I had sciatica start in my left leg,on a day guys at work were warning me to be "careful about my back" ...the Nocebo
I was the "machine" at work and always tried to outdo,outhustle the guy next to me.I was carrying a 100 pound plus ladder and a hudson sprayer when IT happened.
My Buttcheek burned and my lower calf was numb,but they did not connect.As time wore on,the left calf went completely numb,though I had flames in the buttcheek and toes(really weird)
I walked by pulling my pantleg,as I couldn't move the leg without manual assistance.Than the buttcheek crawled up my lower back to a full perma-spasm.
Two months before My planned surgery, after a designer completely changed a house I'd worked on for months,that was due to shoot in 2 days,....it went into my other leg.They re-MRI'd me,but found no herniations on the right side.
The pain in the right leg was sciatica straight down the side of the outer leg.The left would hurt all morning,the right would hurt in the afternoon(oddly enough,the time of the first incident) and by the end of the day they balanced out and BOTH hurt,though they were by no means balanced or consistent.I never knew which side to hobble on,so I got two walking stick crutches.
My left calf atrophied so bad that I had to work it out extra hard when my symptoms went away...it was a stick,and people would laugh when I wore shorts.
I definitely can sympathize with any sciatica sufferer.
Hang in there
Marc
Baseball65 |
| hotshot468 |
Posted - 11/12/2004 : 13:41:20
Hey Thanks for your replies. I just do not want to go down the surgery route. I have read Sarnos Book multiple of times and it did seem to work some, but it never got about 65% cured. Now I am hurting real bad again and I have lost some faith in Sarnos method. If a herniated disk is pressing on a nerve it is going to hurt not be numb. I just want to get well and I have tried visualization, meditation, thinking physcologically. I am jsut really frustrated. My life has not been the same for almost 4 years now because of this pain. I have had 2 friends now in the laast year have surgery and they are back to normal. It is frustrating.. Why is that?
FOX is your pain constant for 20 years? Doe sit fluctuate?
Thanks guys and have a great weekend, Jimmy |
| Fox |
Posted - 11/12/2004 : 08:34:05
Yes, I have had butt pain and sciatica on the same side for 20 years. None of my surgeries helped. I'm tried most all of the physical treatments also to no avail.... Reading/listening to Sarno and seriously implementing his suggestions has led to an 80% reduction in pain/distraction in my case plus I experience much less fear and I participate in more activities. I am deeply appreciative for the vast improvement, and I am enjoying life so much more than before even though I am not 100% "cured"....Read and reread Sarno. Listen to and relisten to Sarno (CD and VHS). Read this forum everyday. Don't allow yourself to think physical and force yourself to think psychological. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 11/11/2004 : 15:33:01
Dear hotshot 468,
Sorry to hear about your continued pain. You have returned to the right site. The butt has been my specialty. This is not a site for a quick fix or answer, (especially from me, the long-winded one). That said, do a search for the words: butt, hip and sciatica. The specific words will show up hi-lited in yellow in the posts. I would start there. Also, for a short-cut, read page 26 of MBP, the Rahe-Holmes list of life's stressful situations that Sarno says can cause TMS.
The mission of this site is not to deal with specific anatomical parts though. That would get you no-where, fast. TMS is about going directly to the source of the pain: the underlying, sub-conscious, emotional triggers causing the pain.
It took your mind, perhaps many years to develop the psychology and personality traits that created your pain, "perfectionism", "goodism", etc. It will not go away overnight but you can be "cured" by re-reading your Sarno, reading the archived posts and perhaps posting yourself.
I assume you have been checked out by a doc somewhere for the infamous boilerplate "tumor" and the other "real" things. The problem is when you go to the docs to fufill the boilerplate "routine" exams, you are placing yourself into the fox's den. Read Polly's recent posts to see the extreme downside of seeing the dox.
Good luck hotshot, that's about as short an answer as I ever give, but my soup's gettng cold.
tt |
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