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| Gordon |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 17:46:32
First time poster. I've read Sarno's 3 books and I've noticed he doesn't go into much detail regarding how the reduction in blood flow works. Is it believed that the flow reduction happens just moments before a pain is felt and that it happens in just that localized area or is it a longer term event that is spread out over a broader area? For me it seems like there is a more or less continious flow deficiency in a large area of my back (sometimes it changes) which creates a pre-disposition so that any muscle at any time, just slightly overworked, can be the chosen muscle and location for a pain attack. Sort of like an accident waiting for an opportunity to happen. What do you all know about this? |
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| Chip |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 19:30:06
I think when I first read about TMS, the idea that it was just "mild reduction of blood" turned me off, and it lost credibility in my mind.
I agree more that it is unimportant HOW the brain influences the autonomic nervous system, which in turn creates pain, but that it definitely DOES. If you get caught up in that detail, you are missing the bigger more important questions. |
| miehnesor |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 19:23:05
It's pretty easy for me to see how restricted blood flow can cause muscle problems and symptoms but it has always seemed a bit of a stretch how reduced blood flow can cause problems in the tendons themselves. Now if the muscle is shortened due to reduced blood flow to the muscle and the fascia clamps down to protect the muscle then it's easy to see how the tendon can be aggravated. But I don't believe that tells the whole story. Tendenitis can come and go much more quickly which would suggest that the brain can cause either problems in the tendon material itself or to the nerves that connect to the tendons. If it is the nerves that might explain how blood flow can be correllated to tendon problems. Anybody have an input on this? |
| electraglideman |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 18:40:41
Gordon, have you ever sat for a long time with one leg crossed over the other until the leg that is crossed has gone to sleep ( blood circulation restricted)? When you stand up and walk the muscles in your leg hurt from the lack of oxygen and will continue to hurt until you have normal blood flow to the leg.
When the pain is TMS, the only difference from the example above is your brain (your unconscious) is controling the amount of blood flow.
That is the kind of TMS pain I experience in my neck, shoulders, lower back, and buttocks when it is acting up in those places. The amount of pain depends on the amount of blood flow restricted.
Now if I'm wrong about this someone please correct me. |
| Gordon |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 16:57:00
After thinking about ShawnSmith's response and reading some more Sarno, I realized that my interpretation of how the pain gets going (outlined in my first posting in this thread) actually has unknowingly kept me tied to seeing the pain as a structural problem. It has seemed to me like restricted blood flow creates a pre-disposition for a pulled muscle and then I pull one and then I feel pain. I've conceptualized the pulled muscle as an injury or tearing of the muscle that needs to heal. I think Sarno is saying that this isn't so. A torn muscle is still viewing the process structurally. What I experience as the healing process may just be the time my brain has decided to take to get back to a normal blood flow. Every day a little more insight! Thanks for all your replies. |
| electraglideman |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:38:56
Larry the "Cable Guy" was saying he had heard there was a danger of going blind when using Viagra. He said " Now ain't that something, Viagra users walking around poking people's eyes out". |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:27:21
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Originally posted by electraglideman
Now if I could just get my lower back to blush first thing in the morning.
Maybe the inventors of viagra could come up with something for that; and is it only me or does it seem like every other word on the internet is penis?
Some of my favorite excerpts from " _THE DIVIDED MIND_ " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| electraglideman |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:13:14
Now if I could just get my lower back to blush first thing in the morning. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 08:54:34
The blush response that MS98 mentions is a good example that we can all relate to as an invlountary, harmless, physical response to emotional stimuli. The anatomical structural parts that create it are the unconscious mind, responding involutarily through the autonomic nervous system. It's the body's electtrical system, similar to the wiring diagram of a house or a car. The brain and the spine have a wiring system useing nerves that branch off to all the parts of the body. This is an electro-chemical respones. There's a fluid that transmits messages back and forth. These are polyneuropeptides, coommunicating with the sensors and switches in our bodies transmitting info about conditions sensed by our senses like hot-cold, over-used, need energy for muscle to continue working and corolaryly, the brain telling body parts what to do, like one foot in front of the other. Some of the other parts are synapses, dendreons, and propreoceptors. I believe the proprecoceptors may be one of the key areas where TMS happens. The propreoceptors are sensors in the joints, creating propreoceptive awarness--what I would caracterize as mini-brains like remote tracking stations sending info back to the brain's central command. Even one celled organisms respond to stimuli under the microscope. If you poke them you can see a response.
That's my thumbnail of the physiology of the TMS response. It's been a long time since I had my high-school and college physiology and biology so feel free for anyone to correct me on any of it.
For further info see the research by Candace Pert.
Hope that helps,
tt
Some of my favorite excerpts from " _THE DIVIDED MIND_ " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| mikescott_98 |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 08:09:39
Sarno mentioned a common example of how the mind can control blood flow which can cause instant physical effects. Blushing is a surge of blood flow to the face when we experience embarrassment. It only makes sense that the mind can control blood flow to anywhere. |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 06/05/2007 : 19:06:36
The patterns are diverse and not the same for everyone. Ultimately they are also uninteresting as far as treatment strategies are concerned.
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Sarno-ize it!
Do you have a pain-prone personality?
http://www.bradyinstitute.com/aboutBook/painProne.asp |
