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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 05/06/2007 : 18:44:48
This is a WIKI that we have designed to be written by those who have successfully utilized the TMS diagnosis and treatment for relief of their pain. This site is administered by David Schechter, MD, Don Dubin MFCC, and Arthur Smith PhD; TMS practitioners and researchers.
see: http://tmsbackpain.wetpaint.com/
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| westcoastram |
Posted - 05/14/2007 : 12:45:16
I, myself, have seen Schechter and talked with Don Dubin.
Schechter may not be as dogmatic as Sarno nor as paternal, but he truly seeks to help people with TMS. No doctor, specifically, no TMS doctor is infallible when the diagnosis requires both analytic skills and a good deal of intuition and insight into the human condition. I don't think we should dismiss him for missing diagnoses (although the outcomes were negative) - that alone, shouldn't refute all the good work he's done. It's to his detriment that we aren't able to easily acquire second opinions on TMS as easily as we could another illness.
Additionally, I am aware that Schechter has been constantly frustrated by the medical community in LA where he has been refused research funding for TMS time and time again. Perhaps this site could eventually help him in that endeavor.
I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to post their success on the website except for the imposition of time and the dredging up of those old feelings (which is no small thing).
I, for one, plan on writing my story down once I have a moment. |
| armchairlinguist |
Posted - 05/14/2007 : 12:13:46
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One person had a bad experience with him- due mostly to projecting TMS related rage on him- and now he is a bad guy.
His "bad experience" was that Schechter missed his accurate medical diagnosis, which left him in permanent pain and with skeletal deformation. You'd be pissed too. I think it's extremely rude of you to imply that he is projecting TMS anger when there is plenty of legitimate reason for him to be angry.
I don't think Schechter is a bad guy or bad doctor, and I don't think people around here characterize him as such either. It is right that people should know that he has made a mistake (as doctors sometimes do, being human). I think you are projecting, frankly, because you have decided you like this project and want to defend every aspect of it.
We all have our own ways of getting the word out. You like the Wiki project. I post my story on my own website (and license it to be freely shared with attribution) and tell people by word-of-mouth.
I am not complaining about doctors not knowing about TMS either. Yes, I hope that in time more people and more doctors will know about it. But Sarno has said himself that much of the problem is not lack of information but lack of psychological readiness for the information. I can attest that I was told about TMS right when I first got RSI and I completely ignored the information. I can also attest that I've told four people with pain about TMS and all of them were resistant -- I would class one as skeptical, two as not believing at all, and one as resistant but ultimately accepting. Being willing is a much bigger hurdle than being aware.
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| Shary |
Posted - 05/14/2007 : 08:47:40
Shawn,
Sorry for badmouthing something you obviously believe in. These doctors may indeed have the best motives in the world. However, like many people, I'm suspicious of anyone who wants to own something that belongs to someone else (information, in this case) but doesn't want to pay for it. Their entire approach is a turnoff, |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 05/13/2007 : 18:48:17
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Originally posted by UK james
Shawnsmith - are you on commission for shecketerr??
This website right here has all the vaulable tools people need - why are you trying to D I L U T E things my diverting people to a new site which is so appallingly designed.
Do you get money per hit or per success story????
Get a real job and maybe your TMS will clear up.
I have never met Dr. Schechter, nor do I get any money for him nor ever will. I am merely promoting his work. Many on this board are his patients. The design of the website has nothing to do with the discussion, and I don't quite understand the hostile reaction. See info on Dr. Schechter at http://www.mindbodymedicine.com/6tms.html
He is a well known TMS practioner who has studied under Dr. Sarno and promotes Dr. Sarno in all of his work and research....
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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 05/13/2007 : 18:44:12
Background information on David Schechter, MD who is heading up this project in collaboration with Don Dubin MFCC, and Arthur Smith PhD.
http://www.mindbodymedicine.com/6tms.html
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 05/13/2007 : 10:53:09
P.S.
I wasn't piling on. I just saw UKJames's post and was typing mine while he was too.
I do believe Shawn's motivations are pure and helpful in this, I am just not clear on how it works along with my other previous comments.
Some of my favorite excerpts from " THE DIVIDED MIND " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 05/13/2007 : 10:46:02
I would be more disposed to contributing to whatever it is that is being created, if I it were better explained. Me, being an involuntary Luddite, it's not clear to me what is going on here.
I've seen the Wikipedia and assume it's going to be posted there. I would be more inclined to participate if there was some connection HERE by those asking for our "successtories". Why do we have to re-invent the wheel?
As far as I know the TMSHelp Board is the most active site for the TMS lay person. On occassion we have had contributions by TMS doctors such as Dr. Fatteh, and now DrZiggles, and they are always appreciated for setting us straight on the medical end of TMS.
If, the goal is to spread the word of TMS, and answer the publics' questions, we have been doing that here for quite a time, gratis, thanks to the board's founder Austin Gary and now Dave. If the "cure" for TMS is "knowledge penicilin", then, those asking for our input, can help people right here, otherwise TMS info over the internet will become further Balkanized.
Can anyone explain to me what this is all about?
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| UK james |
Posted - 05/13/2007 : 10:43:06
Shawnsmith - are you on commission for shecketerr??
This website right here has all the vaulable tools people need - why are you trying to D I L U T E things my diverting people to a new site which is so appallingly designed.
Do you get money per hit or per success story????
Get a real job and maybe your TMS will clear up.
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| Shary |
Posted - 05/13/2007 : 07:55:13
I probably have a lot of unconscious rage toward doctors, with good reason.
In any case, looking for scientific validity regarding something as elusive as the human mind is going to be like looking for that needle in the haystack, something Schechter, Dubin and Smith undoubtedly already know. Hence we arrive at the real motive: a copycat publication that makes money in spite of itself. |
| carbar |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 17:49:43
I wonder if people's hesitation towards this site has to do with the design.
It looks an awful lot like the kind of site that pops up in your browser because of spam and ad links. Maybe Schecter should look into finding a designer to spruce it up so it looks a little more benign. It's sort of threatening and suspicious looking...
I think we all have a lot of unconscious rage about the inconvieniences of web surfing...
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| Shary |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 15:57:42
My point is that even assuming it could be established, which it probably can't, scientific validity is completely unnecessary to curing oneself of TMS. |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 14:29:49
And your point Shary?
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| Shary |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 12:06:07
Shawn, what can Schechter possibly say in his book that Sarno hasn't already said? And what makes you think he can establish scientific validity when, after 20-some years, Sarno couldn't do so? Moreover, who cares? People who eventually find themselves traveling the road to Sarno-ization do so because nothing else has worked. They also eventually realize they can effect a cure for their TMS without either medical help or scientific validity...as you yourself have frequently stated on this forum. |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 10:35:32
Dr. Schecter's motivation is not making money as he does fine with his medical practice in Beverly Hills. In fact, supporting TMS theory can be a money loser and that is why many docs avoid it like the plague. He is trying to establish the scienfitic validity of TMS for those who claim Dr. Sarno's idead do not have scienfitic validity. I will continue to be critical of those who moan on about no doctor's accepting TMS and then when one sticks his neck out on the line they crap all over him. Shameless, utterly shameless.
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| Shary |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 09:43:44
Thanks, TT. For sure I've been angry at myself for getting conned by an insurance/investment agent I had long considered to be a friend. My case is small potatoes compared to some of the people who were defrauded. Even so, deep down inside I'm probably just as angry as they are that this guy abused my trust. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 08:48:49
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Originally posted by Shary
Thursday the company offered me several options toward making me whole, and I was elated that they are very generous options. So why did I have such a downturn with my TMS yesterday? I've decided it was because I was really worried about this but trying to convince myself I wasn't worried. (Clearly anxiety repression!) It took a while for my TMS gremlin to process the good news, but I'm much better today.
Page 26 Dr. Sarno's, The Mindbody Prescription:
"Even happy events...can result in inner turmoil, pressure and anger."
Page 28,
"Both positive and negative stress generate umconscious anger, whether or not one is consciously angry."
Some of my favorite excerpts from " THE DIVIDED MIND " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| Shary |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 08:26:49
I don't consider myself a success story just yet. I am a lot better but still have days that aren't great. I am finally wrapping up a case of insurance fraud that I've been involved in. Thursday the company offered me several options toward making me whole, and I was elated that they are very generous options. So why did I have such a downturn with my TMS yesterday? I've decided it was because I was really worried about this but trying to convince myself I wasn't worried. (Clearly anxiety repression!) It took a while for my TMS gremlin to process the good news, but I'm much better today.
Shawn, regarding Schechter's website, I tend to agree with ACL. I've already posted considerable info regarding my battle with TMS on this website, which is readily available to anyone looking for help. I don't know anything about Schechter and company and I'm not interested in giving them the right to make money from my personal experiences. I also think you're a little out of line in chastising people for being reluctant to hop on this somewhat questionable bandwagon |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 05/12/2007 : 07:34:46
why are people ragging on him when hen is a Sarno devotist? He actually worked with Dr. Sarno in the research of Healing Back Pain. One person had a bad experience with him- due mostly to projecting TMS related rage on him- and now he is a bad guy. People on this board are being unfair and irrational with regards to this issue.
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| wrldtrv |
Posted - 05/11/2007 : 23:08:45
Now I remember what it was about Dr Schechter. Do a search on "cautionary tale" for the details. |
| shawnsmith |
Posted - 05/11/2007 : 10:24:33
That is a nice attitude to have armchairlinguist, but don't complain later about the word on TMS not getting out when people are investing their lives in researching it yet people fail to cooperate.
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