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| cheeryquery |
Posted - 12/01/2006 : 02:52:28
I slipped on ice outside Walmart and fell heavily on my knee. I knew nothing was broken, though. The people around me wanted me to get cheched out by Walmart's first aid person "just in case". I said no way and limped off home.
One day later, my scrape is nearly healed and I have no pain, just a bit of stiffness. Not going to have pain, either. Gotta love Sarno.
I have a friend who slipped and fell at another big department store and is suing. Every week she reports a new symptom her docs attribute to the fall. She'll get at least $100k according to her lawyer But it's not worth it. No way. She is in agony and on morphine, for pete's sake.
Why do I suspect tms? Because I've known her for years. She comes from an extremely abused background and is such a goodist that she can't stand up for herself EVER. She has to be the victim, the martyr. Meanwhile she has a dozen illnesses that keep her happily in a world of her own creation (disability pension, subsidized housing, housekeeping services, etc.). She has a magical ability to get stuff in exchange for pain. She has even said, about the fall, "This is my new house" because she needs a hobby room.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't buy it. I'm not saying she is trying to defraud anyone. She REALLY suffers but there are easier ways to get what you want. You have to take the chance of being wrong, however, and that's not easy for the kind of person who gets tms.
Like me. |
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| shawnsmith |
Posted - 12/06/2006 : 11:05:09
Visualize harder Dave as it is still there:)
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/06/2006 : 09:27:54
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Originally posted by Dave
Let's visualize the end of this thread.
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I'm visualizeing that  . |
| Dave |
Posted - 12/06/2006 : 08:31:59
Let's visualize the end of this thread. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/05/2006 : 21:21:35
Let's all visualize world peace--that will make it happen. |
| cheeryquery |
Posted - 12/05/2006 : 18:33:51
TT, I am not interested in trying to talk sense to you. If you don't like my opinions, tough. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/05/2006 : 08:08:32
Quoteing Cheeryquerry:
"One comment on the conversation between tennistom and others: someday people everywhere in the world will have a reasonable standard of living IF we allow free trade. Sure, there will be bumps along the way and some protectionist policies are probably needed as industries adjust. But there is no reason why people here should live extremely well while others barely survive. I can't accept that. It's not right and we will never have a peaceful world until we stop being so selfish."
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I'm glad to hear that your leg is alright and that you have taken personal responsibilty for your accident.
On the subject of a world economy, that sounds very nice in the abstract but how do you propose to implement your plan on a personal level. Like TMS, people's motivations work on a mysterious level.
I think there is a very good reason people should live extremely well here--it is the result of what used to be a free economy. When you tell people they have to give their surplus away to someone they don't know they will stop working so hard to produce that surplus and seek a market based climate where the government doesn't enslave them.
Do you really trust a world government to set up your fantasy world economy? Who are you going to pick as your chief economist for this grand plan Jimmy Carter? Or Hugo Chavez? Jane Fonda? The Dixie Chicks? Sean Penn?
Your sentiment is very nice but it is all in the abstract and human nature will never work that way. Individuals and families will not work their butts off to hand the fruits of their labor off to the government to distribute for them. You have basicly stated the socialist creedo--it didn't work in the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, or North Korea It doesn't even work in Sweeden, Saab and Volvo are now owned by Ford and GM,(all the socialist job benefits bankrupted those two companies).
A hundred years ago, if we had a problem, we relied on our family, friends, neighbors, or house of worship to help us. Today, in the modern-age, this safety net is qucikly desolivng, (with the government aiding and abetting it's demise). We now look for help to insurance companys, courts, the welfare office or non-profit government supported programs. None of these institutions give a hoot about our long term welfare anymore than the med/industrial complex, (which proves it by not recognizeing TMS, because there's no money in it).
Everyone is trying to break into the USA to escape repressive government. If I want to be generous, which I am, (very generous), I want to give my surplus to those I know need it. I don't need a bureaucracy set up to distribute (and waste most of it for me.
I've personally witnessed how the welfare state doesn't work. In my town we spend at least $250,000,000. annualy on homeless and the problem gets worse every year, while our dashing mayor dates 19 year old girls. I don't want him deciding for me who is deserving from the back seat of his limo,(and by the way he is being groomed by the demo machine here for a run for the presidency).
So Cheeryqueery, could you please flesh-out your economic plan from the abstract, to how it will work in the real world. What are you going to sacrifice to help the starving North Koreans? Your notion is nice but whose ox is going to be gored to implement the good deeds?
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| cheeryquery |
Posted - 12/05/2006 : 01:19:19
LoL! I forgot I started this thread so it was lots of fun to find it and read the responses. First, of course it is WalMart's responsibility to keep their sidewalks ice free. But my accident occured in the middle of an ice storm and the sidewalks, while clear and well sanded (not sand but some red stuff), were still slippery. Walmart had an old man working his heart out on the sidewalk.
It's not easy to do but when you live in Canada (or much of the US) and tend to be a klutz it is imperative to learn to BE CAREFUL in winter. I was hanging on to my husband's arm and he was moving just a little too fast. Should I sue him, too? REALITY: it was an accident. Stuff happens.
Anyway, my point is that I would rather deal with accidents w/o TMS, thanks very much. And I know very well that if I tried to sue Walmart TMS would automatically kick in because I would have a vested interest in having a problem with my leg.
One comment on the conversation between tennistom and others: someday people everywhere in the world will have a reasonable standard of living IF we allow free trade. Sure, there will be bumps along the way and some protectionist policies are probably needed as industries adjust. But there is no reason why people here should live extremely well while others barely survive. I can't accept that. It's not right and we will never have a peaceful world until we stop being so selfish.
Btw, my leg is fine. Now if I could just convince the rest of my tms symptoms to get lost. |
| wrldtrv |
Posted - 12/04/2006 : 22:33:52
My paycheck is ALSO from the marketplace. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/04/2006 : 09:27:34
I am in the process of getting out, but it's harder for a business to leave overnight. Physicaly and more important, mentaly I'm outta' their.
A lot has changed since you left here! May I remind you you labeled me as a right winger, I consider myself an anarchist, not by design but because I go with the flow and that is what we have out West. SO THERE!
Oh by the way, where does your paycheck come from, mine's from the marketplace? |
| wrldtrv |
Posted - 12/03/2006 : 22:14:33
Life in the Bay Area is something else you don't need to lecture to me about. Remember? I lived there for 18 years. By the way, why are you still there? All you do is complain about it. If I hated the people and the politics of a place as much as you seem to, I'd get my ass out of town.
Another thing. Your characterization of me as some radical leftist is so off the mark it is laughable. You are the radical, it seems.
And as for personalizing this, you did that in your first sarcastic response where you thanked me for "agreeing" with your position. Instead of responding in a logical way to my arguments, you resort to your freaky rants. You're right; I no fan of yours. Satisfied? Enough said. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/03/2006 : 19:46:35
OK World, you've got a stick up your ass for me. About the only time you come on the board anymore is to say the opposite of what I say from a your political perspective. If you think the corporationns are in charge come to my town frisco and see all the wacko trotskyite board of supes we have here, they all have goatees like Lenin even the women supes. The supes just banned the ROTC here. The Navy in well deserved retaliation pulled out a ship they were going to homeport here and instead are sending it to San Diego. The streets of Bagdad are safer than sf. Try doing business here under all the PC legislation that is never ending. You can make an argument for anything and frankly I am not going to waste anymore time on this. So you were a stock-broker, what do you do now? I bet you wallow at the public trough. Anytime there is a tax increase your salary goes up--or you're an inveterate do-gooder with other people's money. There, now we've both personalized it but as I noted you started the name-calling.
By the way on the car thing a study came out comparing the TRUE energy involved in the life-time of a Prius the liberal darling mode of transport around my parts and the Jeep my drive and when all the costs were in the good old Heep was more energy efficent. Wait until all the soft-hearted and soft headed people who don't know a thing about autos find out what it will cost them to change all those lovely lead batteries in about 50,000 miles and that it will take ten years to recoup any gas savings they may have gotten over the premium they paid over a gas powered Camry. If you like socialism so much move to Cuba where they sing guantamara all day and drive 53 gas guzzling Chevys if they are lucky enough to have a car at all. Give me Ronald Reagan all day over Billary Clinton and Jimmy Carter. |
| wrldtrv |
Posted - 12/03/2006 : 17:38:35
There you go again (as Reagan would say), another rant. Again, you ignore my point and go off on your own agenda.
Yes, I've been to Mexico (more than once), and Central America, and Eastern Europe and Russia before the collapse. Southeast Asia too. I'm well aware of the variety of free and command economies, of rich and poor. To top it off I've taken economics (at our old alma-mater) as well as plenty of business courses. I even got a stock broker license several yrs ago just to do it. So, I don't think I need you to tell me how the world of commerce operates.
Okay, now let's get back to the argument I used to show you were wrong about "unions and government regulations driving away manufacturing jobs." Let's take those maquiladeros (thousands of tiny manufacturing operations that were located just across the border to produce cheap retail goods for the USA). What happened to them? What happened is CHINA. Not unions or government regulation, but China, an EVEN LOWER COST PRODUCER. Now, if someday an even cheaper manufacturer comes along, China will struggle the same way Japan has for the past decade. This is the logic of globalism.
As for your example of the auto companies, you've picked probably the lone surviving example of the old economy. GM and Ford are themselves like small countries who are losing out to lower cost (and better quality) overseas manufacturers. A couple of points: Sure, the unions want to hold onto what they've worked for over many decades. Still, they have made concessions. Maybe the greater problem is management. Dumb, short-sighted management only looking toward the next quarter, while the Japanese look many years ahead. Detroit was so addicted to the quick and easy $ from producing giant gas guzzling SUV's that they didn't see end. Meanwhile, Japan, wisely hedging its bets over the years with both SUV's and fuel-efficient models and new technology, is gaining market share while Detroit is self-destructing.
Anyway, the above example is about the only remaining one where the unions have much power. Union membership is a fraction of what it was 40 yrs ago. As for government regulation, not to worry, the current administration has been working hard over the last 6 years to scrap any regulation that their corporate pals object to; in fact the energy industry, at least, has become its own regulator. Hey, by your logic this is a good thing because it means it's safe for those manufacturing companies and jobs to relocate back to the USA, right? I sure don't see that happening.
The only way to compete in a global economy is to either produce CHEAPER than your competitor or BETTER. Well, we sure wouldn't want to (even if we could) compete on "cheap" because we would have to have a 3rd world living standard to go with it. So "better" is the only choice and this has nothing to do with unions and everything to do with smart corporate and gov't thinking and strategy. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/03/2006 : 09:14:14
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Originally posted by wrldtrv
Sorry TT, no, I didn't make your point. If "unions and government regulations" drove away the manufacturing jobs, why has Mexico, for example (certainly no hotbed of unions and gov't regulations), suffered the same fate as the USA and most other former manufacturing centers?
"Once again, your right wing bias is showing."
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Let it be clear who has done the name calling FIRST! Why is it that liberals feel so insecure in their views that they must name call and demonize others for having opinions they don't agree with? WT, I didn't malign you. You don't know me a whit, I am politicaly an anarchist.
I have had close dealings with poiticians of every hew--they are all s***. They have more respect, empathy and love for their fellow pol than for any constituent. They have more good times with their pol buddies in Moscow, Beijing, or Timbuktu then the serfs (us). The whole point of government is to win the keys to the king's vault and the power to spend the peasant's taxes (ours) and distribute it to their "friends" who maintain them in power.
WT have you ever been to Mexico? They have NEVER had an industrial base. Up unitl a few years ago when US companies built the macalorias, Mexico's oil and mineral weatlh was concentrated in their post-colonial conquerers. The Mexican government if you can call it that is one of the most corrupt on the planet, and it is one of their chief exports to the US.
Moving US jobs off-shore began with the advent of the large cargo ships, air cargo, and instanteous communications by phone and computer around the world. The unions and the government don't give a hoot about the future economy they are NOT leaving. An auto assembly worker in Detroit makes $27 an hour and double that for working Sunday overtime. You can double that for their true costs of their benefits. Ford is buying out thousands of employees, Detroit will probably cease to exist as a manufacturing center in another gereration. This countrie's on the skids. As a business person I am on strike and exploring where to shift my capital and expertise to. I refuse to be a slave to the government and not get a fair return for my labors. Anyone ever live in Switzerland? A country that requires compulsory military from their citizens and requires thme to keep a machine gun at home couldn't be all bad and I love fondue. |
| wrldtrv |
Posted - 12/02/2006 : 22:17:13
Sorry TT, no, I didn't make your point. If "unions and government regulations" drove away the manufacturing jobs, why has Mexico, for example (certainly no hotbed of unions and gov't regulations), suffered the same fate as the USA and most other former manufacturing centers?
Once again, your right wing bias is showing. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/02/2006 : 18:33:30
" No, it's not unions and government regulation that have chased away manufacturing jobs. It's globalization. The low-cost country wins. A few decades ago that was Japan. Then Korea. Thailand. Mexico. Currently, it's China."
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Thanks for making my point WT, unions and government regulations have made the cost of manufacturing so high in the USA, that it's cheaper for those thieving, robbing, scum-sucking, corporations to set up shop in other countries and ship it back here.
About all the US exports any more is used cardboard boxes for recycling, that the Sony and Samsungs came in. When you can wallow at the public trough or the gov will pay you not to work by collecting SSI, welfare or frivolous lawsuits why work, accept out of self-respect.
On the topic of lawyers, (Newmom accepted): What's the difference between a skunk and a lawyer in the middle of the road? The skunk has skid marks in front of it.  |
| wrldtrv |
Posted - 12/02/2006 : 13:14:41
Two points, the first about lawyers. Sure, we have a lot of them and there are a lot of frivolous lawsuits. But thank God we have them. If not for the threat of litigation many corporations would try to get away with even more than they do now under the Bush administration with its watered down, "go easy on our base" policies.
Second point: No, it's not unions and government regulation that have chased away manufacturing jobs. It's globalization. The low-cost country wins. A few decades ago that was Japan. Then Korea. Thailand. Mexico. Currently, it's China.
I agree with Dave that a business, espec one as large as Wal-mart should keep their sidewalks de-iced. In Wal-mart's case in particular, they are known for trying every method of intimidating anyone who tries to go up against them legally. Actually, a co-worker fell last year inside their store in an area that had, I guess, just been mopped. She had significant medical bills from it, which WM finally paid after giving her the run-around for many months. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 12/01/2006 : 15:23:23
Respectfully, the majority of everyone's products sold in this country are made in China. Unions and government regulation have driven manufactruing jobs off-shore. We are living off our children's inheritances. Glad I don't have any children. |
| Dave |
Posted - 12/01/2006 : 14:47:27
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Originally posted by h2oskier25
Dave,
No, it's not Wal-Marts responsibility to keep their entire sidewalk free of ice all the time in WINTER in CANADA.
Not sure about Canadien law but I'm pretty sure here in the USA it is a business owner's responsibility to maintain their property. If it's icy, they have to de-ice it, especially if it is where their customers are expected to walk.
My friend owns a small store and you had better believe that during the winter he is out there dumping salt on the sidewalk to make sure it is safe.
Honestly, the fact that it is Walmart, a company with very deep pockets, would factor into my decision. I agree with you completely about the state of litigation in this country, but it is what it is.
And it is true what you say about manufacturing. In fact a majority of Walmart's products are manufactured in China by people who are paid about 5 cents an hour.
But that's way off topic ;) |
| Newmom |
Posted - 12/01/2006 : 13:00:18
Just to add a bit of info not related, I am an attorney and this is the type of litigation that I do. In most circumstances it would be the store's responsibity where I am at to have their sidewalk cleared of ice - however that is only one theory. Now that I have learned about TMS every case I am working on - I am asking myself do they have TMS if their injuries are not going away and they should!!!! I think this may add to my TMS symptoms!! We are definitely a society that likes to sue!! |
| h2oskier25 |
Posted - 12/01/2006 : 09:49:28
Dave,
No, it's not Wal-Marts responsibility to keep their entire sidewalk free of ice all the time in WINTER in CANADA.
It's reasonable to expect ice on sidewalks in winter. When did we become a nation of people who can't take responsibility for their own actions. Did you know HALF of the world's lawyer's live in the US.
HALF. The only thing we still manufacture in this country is trouble for one another.
If you opened a small business, would you want to be responsible for everything that happened to anybody on your property?
Dave, I have the utmost respect for you for maintaining this board and being so compassionate to people. Please don't take this post as anything more than a diff of opinion.
Cheers,
Beth |
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