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| MRosenthal |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 19:31:16
Does Dr. Sarno believe that Yoga can help or should you not be doing anything like that?
Also, has he ever addressed how he knows for sure that herniated discs do not cause pain? How does nerve pressure not cause pain?
thanks,
Matt |
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| Stryder |
Posted - 09/22/2004 : 20:09:27
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Originally posted by Dave
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How does nerve pressure not cause pain?
A nerve that is continuously inpinged turns off -- it stops transmitting. The result is numbness, not pain.
True. This happend to me when I had an extruded disc segment at L5-S1. My foot and part of my leg went numb, and I had loss of strength. At the time this situation had me severly stressed out, I also had a lot of pain, and mistakenly linked the pain to the L5-S1 on the MRI. Only now have I been able to seperate the two, the numbness was caused by the nerve impingment and the pain was TMS.
The numbness cleared up slowly over about 6 months (disc material dehydrates slowly). I suffered with the TMS pain for another 8 years until I got on the TMS program.
Consider this. Ever sleep on your stomach with your arms over your head and wake up with both your arms completely numb? It doesn't hurt at all, but your arms don't work right until you change positions.
Hope this helps. -Stryder |
| Irish Jimmy |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 22:06:49
Matt, I tried yoga, at the urging of my buddy, for strength and flexibility. It is great. I was really skeptical, but it is benefitial for an increase in strength and flexibility. If your using yoga to get active again, that's good, don't think of it as physical therapy. A book I suggest is REAL MEN DO YOGA. The book has Eddie George on the cover. Good Luck. |
| Dave |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 08:23:21
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How does nerve pressure not cause pain?
A nerve that is continuously inpinged turns off -- it stops transmitting. The result is numbness, not pain. |
| Texasrunner |
Posted - 09/21/2004 : 07:35:10
One of the reasons I respect Sarno's work is that his background is in orthopedic surgery. This is a guy who studied medicine, operated on backs for years, and knows the human body. His main reason for stating that herniated disks are not the problem is that he realized most people WITHOUT back pain had them too. As for Yoga, it is widely accepted as a positive exercise with many benefits, including relaxation. But DON'T confuse it with TMS theory or practice. |
| menvert |
Posted - 09/20/2004 : 22:43:45
First of all, I think it depends why you are doing yoga. If it is purely for fitness and not as a physical therapy then it may be OK.
Another thing is there are many types of yoga, purely physical/exercise focused yoga can sometimes do more damage than good physically and psychologically(I pulled my shoulder fairly badly in my experience with very westernised/exercise focused yoga).
For me one of my TMS problems is not being able to walk great distances(ie 100 yards)TMS pain which due to mismanagement early on by me & the doctor meant that my muscles have wasted away quite a bit. so Yoga was pretty much the only way I was able to get strength & muscle tone back in my legs and definitely gave me good muscle tone in the rest of my body. That being said the type of yoga I did also focused very much on the meditation and spiritual/psychological aspects of life. It was also a prop based yoga so it was good for people with limited abilities.
But more recently, I have stopped I have reached an acceptable level of fitness, which I can maintain by doing bike riding, which is for transport and not for therapy. The reason I stopped is because it was reinforcing my focus on the physical. everytime I did yoga I would come back with a sore back . once I had started to associate yoga with a sore back the programming had already been set, so each time I went to yoga . I was thinking about my back wayy too much.
So , if you think you really need yoga for general fitness then try it and see whether it brings up [unconquerable] symptoms or not, if it does maybe stop or find something else.
I would say generally Dr Sarno does not believe yoga can help as much as it will hinder but he does also say there is no problem with exercising for the sake of fitness. Just monitor it and see if it works are you.
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From what I've read Dr Sarno knows that herniated discs do not[usually] cause pain from several sources, mainly from his treatment of patients who have disk abnormalities and have recovered after accepting TMS. But he does also cite a number of surveys, which showed that some large percentage of people with no lower back pain to have disk abnormalities. (One such survey- 52% bulging disc,27% protrusion 1% extrusion - all with no history of low back or leg pain- Quoted from MBP) regarding nerve pressure I think from his personal experience with patients he has found it is not a physical factor. I think he may also have quoted a survey of mri's showing congested nerve pathways with pressure on them causing absolutely no pain to patients(don't quote me on that last one, though - must be time for me to reread it) and remember Sarno is a trained physician . he has been treating people with pain from the start even before he discovered TMS |
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