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Posted - 05/23/2006 : 11:27:15
A lady came to our home last night and she has the worse case of TMS I ever saw, although she does not know about TMS. She is officially diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, which includes severe swelling of the joints. (see info at: http://www.arthritis.org/conditions/DiseaseCenter/psoriatic_arthritis.asp)
She also has spondylitis (something Sarno writes about), and very severe psoriasis, again something Dr. Sarno writes about.
She has pain all over her body. She also has irritable bowel syndrome. He blood work is fine. She spends $1600 a month on meds and other treatments and she is getting worse by the day.
I bought her Dr. Sarno's book, Healing Back Pain, and asked her read it, which she promised she would.
When she told me about her background, and especially the pressure her parents placed on her throughout he lifetime, I could clearly see how she was a candidate for TMS symptoms. She comes from an enthic community were great pressure is placed on the children to succeed and nothing they do is ever good enough, so she was always criticized with no praise given. Actually, she has done quite well for herself and is really intelligent.
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Posted - 05/25/2006 : 21:43:01
Psoriatic Arthritis is an autoimmune disorder. Dr. Sarno has not made a definitive statement about autoimmune conditions and TMS. He's indicated they "could" be mindbody conditions.
My own 2 cents: My husband has an autoimmune disorder and he came to see Sarno along w/me for my appointment, read the book, has been to the lecture and panels w/me and is seeing a TMS therapist. Can anyone guess how he's been feeling??
Also, its long been stated in the literature that autoimmune conditions worsen w/stress. That alone points to a mindbody connection.
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Posted - 05/25/2006 : 06:26:42
Hi Art,
Thanks for your reply. I hope this opens up a discussion.
The doctor, in this case, did not say the patient did or did not have TMS. He said he did not know and thus, by way of caution, sent him away. The patient was convinced he had TMS, however, and wanted a confirmation which the doctor was not willing to give.
My question is that since the diagnosis of psoriatic arthritis has no effective treatment leading to a cure to begin with why would not the doctor at least say "ok, let's give it a shot and see if TMS treament works?" What did the doctor have to lose by going in that direction? Let's face it, doctors take stabs in the dark all the time with treament programs and some of them may even be harmful, but thus would not have been so if the doctor had have at least tried before sending him away.
The lady I mentioned in my original posting has also been diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis and, in addition, as many other TMS equivalent symptoms. Does that not make us question things a bit that psoriatic arthritis may in fact be TMS?
Again, just asking.
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Posted - 05/25/2006 : 05:20:14
My thoughts concerning the TMS doc is that it seems that in the absence of further information we have to defer to him. Let's face it, aside from the objective merits of that particualr case, whatever they might be, there's always at work a very human tendency to interpret the world along the lines of one's own specialty....
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Posted - 05/23/2006 : 13:47:19
Hilary,
My emotional state is my own business and I can choose or choose not to share what I want with this board. In fact, I have shared quite a bit but it seems I am being asked to re-write over and over again what I have shared to satify the curisoty of some people instead of them taking the time to refer back to the archives. Somehow, people have taken it upon themselves to make me the center of their attention on this board when I do not wish to be so. It is not my desire, or part of my make-up, to pour out the confines of my heart to strangers. I work out these issues within the private ruminations of my own soul and and not putting them on public display. Now you may or may not disagree with that strategy but until you are willing to walk a mile in the shoes I have walked, so as to better understand my point of view, you will have to accept my decision at face value. But you are dead wrong if you think that my unwillinglness to bare naked my soul to the whole world is a sign of an unwilingness on my part to deal with personal emotional issues.
In the meantime, I would like to have an honest answer to my original question regarding the patient with psoriatic arthritis who was turned down for TMS treatment. Do you think the Dr. did the right think or not? Is it at all possible to stay on topic within threads?
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Posted - 05/23/2006 : 13:29:54
My thoughts, Peter, are that I'm curious as to why you would repeatedly avoid questions about your own emotional state, and deflect those questions into more general discussions about TMS. I also think you should focus less on diagnosing other people and more on resolving your own TMS. In my opinion, that is a clear indication of avoiding your own underlying emotional issues.
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Posted - 05/23/2006 : 11:28:36
Hi all,
I hope in this forum section we can stick to the topic of the original heading and forget about me for a moment....soooooooooo.....
I read on page 241 of Dr. Sarno's new book, The Divided Mind, about a patient who was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis. The patient was convinced he had TMS as he felt, after reading Sarno's books, he possessed the personality characteristics mentioned in Sarno's work. The TMS physcian, Ira Rashbaum, however, was not so sure and refused to admit the patient into his TMS treatment program.
How do members of this board feel about Dr. Rashbaum's decision? Should he have given the patient a chance to see if the treatment works or was he correct in sending the patient away?
I would live to hear your thoughts on this.
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