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| ndb |
Posted - 05/21/2006 : 10:57:03
Hi all,
Yesterday I ran a mile for the first time after Sarno. Various parts were hurting, and I kept telling myself its TMS etc. Then I remembered something which helped a lot, and I thought I would share it.
Before Sarno, I had been doing Feldenkrais, in fact its the only type of physical therapy I ever did. I remembered something my teacher told me. Often, the day after a session, I would report to her that the pain in say my arm was much relieved, but my foot (where she had worked the previous day (she would say she was 'working on my foundation' to make my shoulders feel easier)) was feeling very sore. Or once, it gave a pretty bad twinge while she was working with my foot.
Often, her reply was: Don't worry about it, its just sore because your foot is moving in a way that it hasn't moved for months or years.
Yesterday, after running, my foot felt a terrible twinge when I would bend it in a certain way, even if I was sitting with no weight on it...and what she had said made a lot of sense. So I just thought that this is a very positive thought one could keep in mind while taking up physical activity again...sometimes, maybe it just hurts because things which we've been holding stiff and immobile are moving again...a sort of 'good' pain.
Now I don't know whether this is right or wrong, but its something which really cheered me up :)
Best,
ndb |
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| FlyByNight |
Posted - 05/22/2006 : 19:11:30
Wow !
Very helpful ndb.
Thanx a lot for the very helpful and creatives advices....
You are right about the pain. While I run, my neck seems more fluid and does not crackle. The pain is coming with a vengence when I cool down up to 24-48 hours after the running.
I'll keep you in touch with the progress. Please do the same
P.
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| ndb |
Posted - 05/22/2006 : 10:32:10
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Originally posted by FlyByNight
I am kind of depressed today because I feel I do not fit 100% (another manifestation of my perfectionnistic personnality ????) the theoretical pavlovian conditionning profile that Sarno describes in his book.
Another question: Can doing an exercice or a sport that directly sollicitates the muscle group that is affected by TMS increase the tension of that muscle group (because it is already oxygen depleted) and make postpone the recovery. I know it sounds very 'structural', but this is what I experience each time I do an exercise that sollicitates my neck...
FlyByNight, I'm sorry your neck is in bad pain after you run. Hang in there, and try to keep your spirits up when it does hurt. Compare yourself to how you were before and focus on the aspects which have improved a lot and don't cause you as much pain anymore. I am still not back to where I was a few years ago, but I am so happy that I can play, run, read, cook and do the laundry by myself again!
It may be that the pain after running is partly conditioning, and partly your brain producing the symptoms to keep you preoccupied, because you still have some doubt about whether it could be harmful to run.
About your other question (muscles becoming stiffer), I'm not an authority of course, so this is just my 'intuition', or what I tell myself: If the sport is using those muscles, then surely blood flow to the area must increase at least temporarily, which I think is good for healing. So this is sort of the 'other side of the coin' to your question. Maybe try to notice, after you run, does your neck hurt right away? If not, perhaps that's a good sign. (The converse may not be true, if it does hurt right away, don't assume its a bad sign :))
Another thing, read page 146 of Mind Body Prescription (the section physical activity and the fear factor) before/after you excercise. And think about it if you need to while you run. In it he does say "patients have reported that becoming active may take many months" and "continuing pain with activity means the brain is still in the process of changing its programming".
Another thought I had about conditioning: Suppose there is some activity which brings on a lot of pain, in my case, my jaw has been really bad this last week. I noticed that for example, swallowing produces a sharp pain in my gums...maybe this is conditioning. So I am trying to decondition myself, I keep in mind some emotional issue I am feeling frustrated about, and then from time to time, I swallow on purpose, and condition myself to immediately think of the emotional issue (by telling myself the pain will be less, and sort of imagining that it is less) instead of immediately focussing on the pain the action produces.
best,
ndb |
| FlyByNight |
Posted - 05/22/2006 : 07:29:04
Nice post,
After reading the Divided mind by Sarno yesterday I ran a 5 miles also and I had shooting pain in the neck. I was first very upset and worried because Sarno clearly states in his book that the proof that TMS pain associated to exercice is related to pavlovian conditionning is the fact that when one overcome his own fear of moving, the pain subsides very fast, which would not be the case if the pain was due to real structural damage...
My problem is that everytime I run since the last 2 months, I always experience intense neck pain and soreness (at its peak the next morning usually) that stays for at least 24-48 hours after the running. It makes it kinda hard to believe it is just conditionning.
I am kind of depressed today because I feel I do not fit 100% (another manifestation of my perfectionnistic personnality ????) the theoretical pavlovian conditionning profile that Sarno describes in his book.
Another question: Can doing an exercice or a sport that directly sollicitates the muscle group that is affected by TMS increase the tension of that muscle group (because it is already oxygen depleted) and make postpone the recovery. I know it sounds very 'structural', but this is what I experience each time I do an exercise that sollicitates my neck...
I guess I just need some encouragement. That would help me to hear from anyone who recovered from TMS and who experienced lasting pain after exercice during their recovery ....
Maybe I am just not doing it progressively enough.
ndb, Your post is helping anyways, thanx
P.
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