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| gevorgyan |
Posted - 12/30/2005 : 02:32:36
It is just my deliberation about the break out of TMS.
According to Genesis, God wanted to protect people from the recognition between good and evil. I know it is only the metaphoric but it seems to me that this is the point.
The more moral we are the biggest are our emotions-the more susceptible to TMS we are.
So I think the problem came from exaggeration of moral aspect of the different life situation.
So I guess the treatment should include calming the “over-morality” down.
Do anyone has similar opinion? What do you think about this?
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| ralphyde |
Posted - 01/05/2006 : 10:33:57
quote:
Originally posted by jilly_girl
but isnt the main issue for hurting people pain relief?
Pain relief may be a short term issue, but the long term issue and the issue of this forum is complete healing using Dr. Sarno's methods. And unfortunately, short term pain relief such as drugs, shots, massage, chiropractors, or acupuncture can be in conflict with and prevent or postpone real healing. As Dr. Sarno says:
"The principle is that one must renounce any structural explanation either for the pain or its cure, or the symptoms will continue. Manipulation, heat, massage, exercise, and acupuncture all presuppose a physical disorder that can be treated by some physical means. Unless that whole concept is repudiated, the pain and other symptoms continue." p. 81, HBP
Ralph
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| gevorgyan |
Posted - 01/05/2006 : 09:52:11
Ok, I come back, it seems me that I can not stand much time without you. You must appreciate that I am better and better in expressing my anger.
Dave, our cure is about the faith – the faith in Sarno’s theory. The faith is a gift because it is not so easy to trust in something so new. According to the book, only the total adjustment to the new diagnose can be a prerequisite to the treatment of TMS. Everything which will help us to get rid of pain must happen in our mind – the area also unknown and difficult to explain.
So it is really all about the faith and the faith just must be in each tract here.
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| jilly_girl |
Posted - 01/05/2006 : 09:31:45
Dave, i certainly dont think you are mean and I dont believe anyone else does either. You said it was your "personal opinion" that faith doesnt enter into the TMS picture. i would disagree with that. faith can deeply affect the mind, body and emotions. I do respect your right as the board monitor to say what goes. thank you.
Jill |
| Dave |
Posted - 01/05/2006 : 08:34:44
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Originally posted by jilly_girl
...faith is a very important part of the mind/body connection...
Many people search for pain relief and religion is a part of that search. That's all well and good ... but this forum is about TMS.
My personal opinion is that religious faith does not enter into the TMS equation at all. TMS is about acquiring the knowledge of what is truly going on with your mind/body and doing very specific things to thwart the purpose of the symptoms. It requires faith in the diagnosis, faith in yourself, but not faith in any religion.
This forum has a specific scope. There are thousands of sites on the Internet where you can have religious discussions. This is not one of them.
Nevertheless I don't "censor" any posts on this site except for those that violate the policy. I do try to nudge the converation back on track if I feel it is warranted. If you want to view me as a mean, evil censor, that is your right. But if you look at the history of this forum I think you will find that is not the case. |
| jilly_girl |
Posted - 01/05/2006 : 06:23:43
suz i respect what you said in your post, but isnt the main issue for hurting people pain relief? i realize this board is about Dr. Sarno and his methods but someone in a great deal of pain wants to stop hurting by ANY method. If faith has helped it should be mentioned.
Jill |
| Suz |
Posted - 01/04/2006 : 20:49:29
In Dave's defence, I think he is just trying to keep us all on track with discussing how to apply Sarno's successful method of healing from TMS pain and other equivalents. This board is about how to apply Sarno's method because quite frankly it really works. It is not about discussing an alternative route to pain relief. Sometimes, some of the posts in this thread drift off into discussing religion and God and how that heals us. That is another discussion entirely - for another board.
The only time this has come up in Sarno's work (and in a personal discussion I had with Sarno) was in relation to religion putting tremendous pressure on the person - thereby feeding into the well of stress in the unconscious. The unconscious does not want to follow rules and regulations of any kind and gets angry. Deeply religious people are often "goodists" - whether that is good or bad in life is immaterial - it simply feeds into TMS and must be recognized as part of the recovery process.
I will also add that often this board drifts off into other suggestions of healing - such as applying meditation etc. I don't believe they receive the same kind of censoring - why? I don't know - that is certainly unfair. Religion presses people's buttons and gets an immediate response. |
| jilly_girl |
Posted - 01/04/2006 : 17:18:37
dave, very unfair. faith is a very important part of the mind/body connection. no one here is trying to convert anyone. maybe there is a reason the topic often comes around to faith. its because its part of the picture for most of us. by ignoring the God issue you are ignoring something that could very well be a source of deep healing physically and emotionally for us.
Jill |
| Curiosity18 |
Posted - 01/04/2006 : 00:17:28
gevorgyan,
Please don't go away. It's just that the religious issue seems to come up over and over in this forum, and then slowly but surely the topic begins to stray. You have contributed so much to this forum in the short time that you have been involved. I do believe it is necessary, however for Dave to set parameters, otherwise the subject begins to veer off from the very core of TMS. I have been involved in this forum for less than a year now and I have seen this happen at least three times. Each time, Dave patiently brings the topic back to center again, and someone typically gets offended. Please understand that it's not your religious beliefs that are being challenged here. I sure hope you reconsider your involvement in the forum.
Curiosity |
| gevorgyan |
Posted - 01/03/2006 : 11:17:52
How wrong I was thinking that this is my topic and I can lead it on my own. This admonishing really annoys me, so I go away. Thanks for all kindly answers and testimonies. Bye |
| Suz |
Posted - 01/03/2006 : 11:15:46
Dave,
I can only speak for my own post - which was in no way evangelizing. It was simply a description of how faith and TMS work together - many people, I am sure, have to struggle with this.
S. |
| Curiosity18 |
Posted - 01/03/2006 : 10:08:40
Once again, Dave- thank you for your input. This "thread" certainly seems to repeat itself!
Curiosity |
| Dave |
Posted - 01/03/2006 : 09:19:15
I have been patient with this thread, despite the fact that it borders on religious proselytizing.
Please keep on the topic of this forum. Thanks. |
| gevorgyan |
Posted - 01/03/2006 : 02:41:04
My congratulation Suz !!!
I am so glad that you have joined the Roman Catholics Church. I am a Pole like John Paul II. The whole Poland was in tears in last April and I am still crying when I remind myself his suffering and his attitude. …
Yes, this is true that our religion teaches that we should regret our anger and a rage, but doesn’t teach that we shouldn’t think of them. When we go confession, first we should be aware of all of so called “sins”. The older I am the more I am sure that not of all defined things are the sins. But this is only on my use.
For me my all my faith is in the St. Augustine’s words: “Love, and do what you want”.
Do not forget that God not only love but also trust us.
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| Suz |
Posted - 01/02/2006 : 16:27:13
Hi all,
As a devout catholic with TMS, I would love to add my experience here.
Being a catholic involves me keeping the ten commandments, going to Mass on Sunday etc. going to confession. My religion teaches me that I was born with original sin and consequently must turn to God to help me deal with this every day. My original sin reveals itself in all sorts of ways - self- centeredness, jealousy, fear, gossip, dishonesty, not thinking of others etc. - the list is endless. I actually think of the unconsious as my original sin - the self centered child who does not want to think of others. I need as much help as I can get to deal with this sin - going to Mass, bi-weekly confession etc. helps me do this.
There is no doubt that practicing my faith really annoys my unconsious - it means putting others first and living a moral life. I am single and am celibate as part of being a christian - this is often tough for me - certainly doesn't make me popular when dating! I am often made fun of for my faith. Many of my friends think I am mad.
So - yes, this does feed into my TMS.
However - ironically, I have experienced amazing peace and removal of stress from practicing my faith. I only became catholic two years ago - up until that time, i was agnostic - had severe depression and addiction problems and was unbelievably miserable.
Recently, I started going to daily mass, spend longer in my prayers and pray a rosary almost every day - guess what - I have never felt so at peace in all my life. I just went home to England to see my family and many of you know that I have had a strained relationship wiht my mother. We had the best week ever. I ate whatever I wanted with no reaction from my body. I didn't even get acne or stomachache
I have noticed that my TMS pain has also gone away. So - this seems to be the opposite of feeding into the TMS pain.
I have to say, on a side note, that the key to recovering from TMS seems to be losing the fear of it. The fear is totaly conditioned response and needs to be broken in order for the TMS to switch off. |
| jilly_girl |
Posted - 01/02/2006 : 14:12:16
gevorgyan, to me its seemed like this has been a way of life for me, not one particular life event that brought it on. i've always been anxious, high strung and prone to depression. i believe i carry my tension in the pelvic area, the way some people get headaches when they are tense. i've also had many other TMS symptoms.
Jill |
| gevorgyan |
Posted - 01/02/2006 : 09:37:11
Today I’ve realised something concerned with my life and very significant for my TMS, but before describing this (and receiving answer “read Sarno once more”) I would like to be more assured in my invention, so let me ask you Jill and the rest of people: do you link the first TM syndrome with the large change of your behaviour? I mean that there was a life situation that made you change i.e. the way of expression, change in image or dramatically change outlook upon life??? |
| jilly_girl |
Posted - 01/02/2006 : 07:53:02
gevorgyan i agree, to me it is a freedom from tension because i do not have to be good for Him to love me. there are no "do's and dont's". He loves me just as i am. cool huh what i do in my daily life is out of love for Him, not fear from Him. its a huge difference.
Jill |
| gevorgyan |
Posted - 01/02/2006 : 01:59:42
If we are not faithful at all, we still should respect national legislations where are lot of “dos” and ”don’ts”. So we are still looking for a guilty.
For me religion is main part of my life and I am sure if some one has a tension connected with Christianity it’s mean that she or he does not understand Jesus at all. Son of God is full of love to all of people. I am asking where is the place of tension in it?
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| jilly_girl |
Posted - 01/01/2006 : 17:29:03
peter said:
But the discussion is not about those comforatble in their respective faith traditions, but the unconscious pressure religious teachings can place on an individual. The over excessive emphasis on the rules of do's and don'ts, while maybe not placing pressure on you personally, has been a major source of personal trauma for many
you seem to be assuming all of us with faith in God have lists of rules and do's and dont's. my point was that is not what a relationship with God is. i think this is a valid discussion because spirituality is closely connnected with the mind/body issue. how we feel about ourselves, our God and how He sees us can indeed deeply affect the body and emotions. its not a list of rules and regulations but a love relationship:)believing this certainly must positively affect my peace of mind!
Jill |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/01/2006 : 14:49:40
Jill
But the discussion is not about those comforatble in their respective faith traditions, but the unconscious pressure religious teachings can place on an individual. The over excessive emphasis on the rules of do's and don'ts, while maybe not placing pressure on you personally, has been a major source of personal trauma for many. |
