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| lobstershack |
Posted - 10/04/2005 : 19:11:12
Curious as to what everyone feels about this recent turn of events:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/04/science/04nobe.html
I'm certain Sarno articulates a counter argument in MBP, but it's slipped my mind at the moment. Enjoy.
Seth |
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| drziggles |
Posted - 10/05/2005 : 15:00:28
Gastric ulcers are still common as a result of medications such as aspirin and ibuprofen, but are much less common overall. There are many people, however, with "non-ulcer dyspepsia" and "GERD". These entities, as people have mentioned, are usually well-treated with medications like Prevacid, Pepcid, etc. In the past, they may have gone on to have true ulcers, but these meds can often prevent that now.
These entities are often TMS, in my experience (it's easier to count the number of people I've seen with various pain syndromes that don't have GERD, among other things, than those that do...). |
| Caroline |
Posted - 10/05/2005 : 13:55:59
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Originally posted by johnnyg
the main cause is still the repressed emotions and brain causes the bacteria to occur in a similar way it would cause decreased blood flow (no one knows how or what process is at work, so there isn't any point in us trying to know how it happens).
I would compare this to what happens in the case of allergies. The phenomenon is very much physiological (histamines being released in response to exposure) but the cause may very well be psychological. I started developing allergies to insect bites when they had never bothered me before. When I read about the nobel prizes I immediately thought; "so what causes the bacteria to become active in the first place?" just like "what causes my body to release histamines now?" |
| johnnyg |
Posted - 10/05/2005 : 12:42:47
The rationale for Dr. Sarno's approach to the "counter argument" regarding this bacteria is buried somewhere in the appendix to MBP. The mindbody principle that applies is always the same--the organs, systmes, fluids, etc. of the body are in the service of the psyche. So if ulcer is tms, then the bacteria, if it plays any part in the ulcer, is a cause with a small c. the main cause is still the repressed emotions and brain causes the bacteria to occur in a similar way it would cause decreased blood flow (no one knows how or what process is at work, so there isn't any point in us trying to know how it happens). |
| art |
Posted - 10/05/2005 : 09:50:02
Does anyone know if ulcers have declined in incidence recently? It sure seems to me that I hear less about them than I used to years ago.. |
| yowire |
Posted - 10/05/2005 : 08:06:36
Hi Seth,
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
I think it is very telling of the bias of the Nobel committee and medical science in general to the concept of a mindbody connection.
While this is a nice discovery, are we really to believe that there was nothing else in all of medical science more deserving of a nobel prize. From the article, they seem to be promoting this like some kind of major victory against the forces of darkness (those who believed stress causes ulcers).
Here is a quote from the NY Times article:
quote:
"Researchers are trying to learn why only a small fraction of people who have H. Pylori in their stomachs develop gastritis and ulcers."
The article also points out, as does Dr. Sarno, that not all people who develop ulcers have H. Pylori.
These points demonstrate that the whole story on what causes ulcers is not known and that there is nothing in this research which shows emotions could not be involved or even initiate the process.
Yowire
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| Dave |
Posted - 10/05/2005 : 07:06:35
Dr. Sarno's position is clear. The bacteria is present in many people who have no ulcers. Why does it cause ulcers in some but not others?
If the bacteria is the cause, perhaps TMS targets stomach chemistry in such a way to allow this (typically benign) bacteria to cause damage.
In any case, ulcers are no longer "in vogue" as far as TMS is concerned since you can buy over-the-counter medication that completely eradicates the symptoms. Today it is in our feet, our hands, and of course, still in our backs since there are so many surgeons willing to cut us open. |
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