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| Norton |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 05:34:45
Gentlemen,
Today is my first visit to this forum, and hope you don't mind the intrusion.
I am a believer in Dr. Sarno's diagnoses and therapeutic treatments, and can happily say, was able to banish a great dela of my sciatic pain through adherence to the treatments described in his books.
My question today for you TMSers is: What methods have you found successful in "re-conditioning" your conscious thoughts? Clearly, we all believe in the psychogenic causes of our pain, but I have a problem with the conditioning aspect(s).
Any suggestions? |
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| kenny V |
Posted - 08/16/2004 : 09:26:22
You have made some very important comments, so I highlighted some points that stood out as showing growth and great gains.
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I admit, I gave up my journaling during the summer. Not because of the summer, but because of sudden changes in my daily life. I found myself exhausted by the time my "journaling time" came along and I just went to bed. I plan to give journaling another go, because time and time again, I am reading JOURNAL!, and not just here on the board.
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At least I'm beginning to notice patterns, triggers and emotions that make my TMS worsen or subside, so I feel I'm going to make progress soon. I know that all the books in the world, read 20 times, aren't going to make the pain stop. I notice that even thinking psychological isn't helping me much; I can talk, yell and curse my mind out for the pain and it seems to laugh at me. I can think of many reasons for the pain, or sometimes none. I have to be proactive and do it. I really have to get to work and STOP TMS from running MY LIFE. This isn't TMS's life, it's MINE.
Suzanne,
It is Good to see you have arrived at a turning point along the trail to recovery, you have put up a flag, marked the spot and have continued on to the next step up the big trail. ](Grab your Journal and let’s go!! “Let’s see what lies ahead?”
It seems you have hit a point in your TMS Journey where you can see from another perspective, you can take a look down to see where you have been, with also realizing the steps you must take to continue up the path to recovery.
It is as if you where going up a long stair case and you arrived at the next landing,
You go!! Suzanne you have got the momentum and the right attitude as well.
Hope your jornaling prepares you to visit the destinations you must go. In return for your travels “give your TMS a Vacation of it’s own.” Now you can start taking snapshots of your TMS journey, mark them up to remember the milestones as you put together a new scrapbook along the way.
Yes it takes hard work and you’ll get wiser and stronger, gaining endurance and confidence. Feel good along the way as you take water breaks, remembering to unload the heavy baggage. When you return home you’ll have an empty sack but a full scrap book of memories of how your TMS took a vacation”.
Always Hope For Recovery
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| Suzanne |
Posted - 08/14/2004 : 11:32:11
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Originally posted by Burton
Suzanne,
I think you might try journaling if you haven't already. Clearly, there are things in your every day life that are causing you enormous anxiety, rage and sadness - as evidenced by your pain returning when you returned from vacation. If you're not sure where to begin with the journaling process, I recommend Julia Cameron's The Right to Write or The Artist's Way. You don't have to be an artist or to have any writerly ambitions to benefit from them, they will help you get your "stuff" out. Also, if you don't already have Facing the Fire by John Lee, I'd get that too. You have to get the emotional poison out, all that rage and sadness.
It took me over a year to get my life back from TMS, it can be a long, slow process. Don't give up, just redouble your emotional thinking and express those emotions. I know, it's easier said than done but...(no pun intended) the more you do it, the easier it is to do.
Try writing a letter to the pain, explaining that since you know it's TMS, the gig is up. It is fired. Seriously, as ridiculous as it sounds, I wrote my shoulder pain several "we regret to inform you your services are no longer needed" letters. It didn't want to clean out its desk, and once it did it tried to get back in the building. I had to call security on it, but eventually it did get the hell out. Don't forget, you're the boss, not TMS. 
Logan
Logan,
Thanks for your reply
I missed it until today. I admit, I gave up my journaling during the summer. Not because of the summer, but because of sudden changes in my daily life. I found myself exhausted by the time my "journaling time" came along and I just went to bed. I plan to give journaling another go, because time and time again, I am reading JOURNAL!, and not just here on the board.
I happen to be an artist, and I supposedly had great creative writing skills in school, so journaling really shouldn't be a problem. I suppose the problem is my procrastination, lack of time (or not making time in the little time I have) and possibly some inner fear of what might come out when I do follow through with it fully.
Coincidentally, I just received my copy of Facing the Fire by John Lee on Friday. The funny thing upon getting the book is that I randomly opened it up to a page just to take a peek, and it opened to the page that said Journaling!
At least I'm beginning to notice patterns, triggers and emotions that make my TMS worsen or subside, so I feel I'm going to make progress soon. I know that all the books in the world, read 20 times, aren't going to make the pain stop. I notice that even thinking psychological isn't helping me much; I can talk, yell and curse my mind out for the pain and it seems to laugh at me. I can think of many reasons for the pain, or sometimes none. I have to be proactive and do it. I really have to get to work and STOP TMS from running MY LIFE. This isn't TMS's life, it's MINE.
I like your idea of writing a letter to my TMS!
A slow process it is. When I first came across Dr. Sarno's books, I was thrilled and thought within months I'd be fine. After seeing him, and then being sent to a TMS psychologist, I realize it can be a very slow process for some people. I happen to fall into the VERY slow category. But I refuse to give up and won't.
Thanks for your input |
| Burton |
Posted - 08/05/2004 : 02:07:33
Suzanne,
I think you might try journaling if you haven't already. Clearly, there are things in your every day life that are causing you enormous anxiety, rage and sadness - as evidenced by your pain returning when you returned from vacation. If you're not sure where to begin with the journaling process, I recommend Julia Cameron's The Right to Write or The Artist's Way. You don't have to be an artist or to have any writerly ambitions to benefit from them, they will help you get your "stuff" out. Also, if you don't already have Facing the Fire by John Lee, I'd get that too. You have to get the emotional poison out, all that rage and sadness.
It took me over a year to get my life back from TMS, it can be a long, slow process. Don't give up, just redouble your emotional thinking and express those emotions. I know, it's easier said than done but...(no pun intended) the more you do it, the easier it is to do.
Try writing a letter to the pain, explaining that since you know it's TMS, the gig is up. It is fired. Seriously, as ridiculous as it sounds, I wrote my shoulder pain several "we regret to inform you your services are no longer needed" letters. It didn't want to clean out its desk, and once it did it tried to get back in the building. I had to call security on it, but eventually it did get the hell out. Don't forget, you're the boss, not TMS.
Logan |
| Fox |
Posted - 08/04/2004 : 13:39:35
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Originally posted by Norton
Tom,
Strangely enough, I have minimum discomfort sitting, but take great comfort listening to my tapes. My problems come from standing still. Not even walking or running. As I am in charge of a large retail store, I am standing quite a bit. I have to conquer my fear of standing too long. Thanks for your comments.
Kenny,
Your posting to Suzanne was insightful and thoughtful. I think we're lucky to have a "stranger" like you in this forum.
I hope this makes you all feel better but my pain has lessened every day since discovering this forum on Monday. I can't stop reading.
Thanks everyone!
I hope that I did the "reply with a quote thing right." ..... Norton, I wanted to tell you about my standing still fear conditioning. I know absolutely for sure now that my increased leg pain after standing is TMS in origin. That's because I have noticed that it occurs in some environments and not in others. For example, if I stand around chatting with co-worker, Frank, in his office, or Don, in his office, I get the intense pain, but not if I stand around talking to Jim....Either I am responding to environmental cues or varying levels of stress I feel when talking to different folks....I figure it is probably the former....I must have just happened to feel the pain in a situation in the past with Frank and with Don in their respective offices, and I now I expect it when exposed to those same environmental cues....Dang if I don't feel like Pavlov's dog! |
| Suzanne |
Posted - 07/30/2004 : 09:56:54
Kenny,
THANK YOU for your very thoughtful post. You really took time to go back and pinpoint certain aspects I keep repeating and make me notice them now.
I appreciate the effort you took and I'm printing it out to remind myself to go back and think about things you hightlighted for me. The time you took to go over my post(s) and post this post to me wasn't wasted and I personally want you to know that
While reading what you said, I was at work, and realized how stong a post it was, so I stopped myself and said, "This one's for later." That night I went back and read it twice.
Thank you. |
| kenny V |
Posted - 07/30/2004 : 08:02:56
quote:
Kenny,
Your posting to Suzanne was insightful and thoughtful. I think we're lucky to have a "stranger" like you in this forum.
Thankx,Norton 
only heard that once or twice over the past 6 months. 
at least i see some fruit?
But it is not usually from the person it was meant for.
This TMS stuff is tough it can become a stronghold of personalities, emotions, along with habits and patterns. Especially trying to help others. No one wants to be told to change their personality nor let something go that they been holding onto a lifetime. There is a major transition that MUST take place before recovery takes place. And this is the step we must take ourselves
 THANK YOU SUZANNNE I NEEDED THAT BIG TMS THANKS
quote:
THANK YOU for your very thoughtful post. You really took time to go back and pinpoint certain aspects I keep repeating and make me notice them now.
I appreciate the effort you took
The time you took to go over my post(s) and post this post to me wasn't wasted and I personally want you to know that
Always Hope For Recovery |
| Norton |
Posted - 07/29/2004 : 20:32:47
Tom,
Strangely enough, I have minimum discomfort sitting, but take great comfort listening to my tapes. My problems come from standing still. Not even walking or running. As I am in charge of a large retail store, I am standing quite a bit. I have to conquer my fear of standing too long. Thanks for your comments.
Kenny,
Your posting to Suzanne was insightful and thoughtful. I think we're lucky to have a "stranger" like you in this forum.
I hope this makes you all feel better but my pain has lessened every day since discovering this forum on Monday. I can't stop reading.
Thanks everyone! |
| kenny V |
Posted - 07/29/2004 : 11:39:02
Suzanne,
I know it is easy to say Ohh! All you have to do is apply this, or simply look at this, and all your problems will go away. But sometimes an outside view with an observation in noticing a pattern or an area that still has some unfinished business to attend to may help.
You have shared some of your situation about 3 moths ago on the old board and I commented on this once before.
I believe it was you (Suzanne), about that time you shared you had just experienced a loss and it was a hard time for you.
Many Sue’s and Suzies and Suz and SadeSues, forgive me if I confused the right Sue.
Anyway, I wanted you to see your own comments and patterns in what you have written. I believe if you re-read what you have wrote it would be helpful to see what you are missing, maybe the answer is there for you, but you haven’t applied the simple. Identify your culprit to your TMS pain and take the action necessary to stop the TMS cycle. So I copied your words highlighting key areas to take a look at. I hope you find it to be helpful, not a nagging in your face, critical find your fault persecution. It is only an observation and meant to be constructive, so if it does not apply then forgive me. But if your hearing the same words over and over, maybe it is time to take a good look at your life and what is bothering you, and take a stand making the changes which will free up your burdens and bring you healing.
Any ideas? I'm dealing with this "rock in my butt" for 4+ years and following Sarno's methods for 2 years now .
I know some people don't become pain-free in weeks or months,
My only pain-free times are vacations. I just had 6 days away from home, and the pain kicked in the day before coming home, while thinking about returning home to work and chores and daily stress, of course.
I have no structural "damage" or "deterioration" to blame it on or cause fear. Even while sitting now typing, it's knotted up and doing a good job keeping me in pain, and travelling up to my lower back.
But basically it's the anal sphincter area, tailbone..
.and I'm sick and tired of it controlling ME. And,
it's constant, not now and then, but all the time, if sitting. (and when I lie down to sleep @ night
In another recent Post you wrote:
I find that when I am going on a trip and it's vacation, the plane trip can be 6 hours long and I'm able to sit without pain. This is the only time I'm able to sit pain-free. But there have been times the plane trips have not been vacation-related and just the fact that I'm not going to be home, with the daily routine and regular stresses, the trip had been pain-free or very pain-reduced. [u]It proves to me over and over that my conditioning is sitting and my pain is from TMS and nothing else.[/u]week ago, I was in a car for 5 hours going on vacation, and my pain was barely annoying. Coming back, it was OK to start, but as we got closer to home, it intensified.
Go figure. TMS, quite the smart-ass.
I don’t want to be a smart-ass but these are the comments you made in April on the same topic, and I added our responses also.
*Since returning from my TMS-free vacation on the 24th,
*I'm in constant distress and anxiety
Suzanne,
If you had a TMS free vacation then, it seems that it created a safe outlet to your current life situations.
Dave makes a good point and gives advice that
>There's a reason, you just don't know it. Something is going on in your life that you are not facing up to. Try your best to figure it out.
*then I saw Dr. Sarno and those all went bye-bye. I'm hoping this is a sign of TMS running scared...trying to make me worry. Any thoughts?
You need to go back and remember and recall the affirmation that you originally received, when you fist started to get better. It seems that fear is your biggest obstacle as LJ points out.
Regaining your confidence as you recover, along with working on current life situations is a powerful key.
*I read everyone's posts and use what information I can and see what works for me.
This is good thing to do but remember there is not a one shoe fits all. The principles of TMS are the same in how it works, but you’re past life and condition is different in how you got to this point in the first place.
There are many co factors to our current condition, past present and future thinking.
Environment and relationship stresses, previous injury or Dr diagnosis, stressing the body with daily activities and body mechanics, and REPRESSED EMOTIONS is the biggest culprit for most of us that continue to have a cycle that has not been broken.
*I don't think my job caused my TMS. I think it's something far deeper.
*Somewhere locked in my brain is the answer to this pain, and my job is to find the key
You probably all ready know what it is but if you don’t, you might need someone to help you tap into your inner emotions and rationalize an approach to let it out and make peace with it.
I believe you are %100 right and you need to find this within your own reasoning, to change your current thinking pattern and lifestyle.
*While on vacation and pain-free, it was easier to think about everything much clearer and deeper
One example I would like to give is I have observed my mom for over 20 years, she has over 10 TMS equivalents and it has continued to change for the worse over this period.
She fell into this pattern, she would always go on vacation to get away from life for a while, thinking that getting away will solve her problems only to get sick on her vacation and return in the same condition or one that was worse.
(I see the pattern in her life but she doesn’t understand that the core of her problem is to deal with herself in stead of blaming it on her circumstances)
*I just said this to my boyfriend: I wish they had "Norton Systemworks" for the mind, so that they could find the "damaged file" (or files), and the exact filename and repair it! Or even repair the whole main directory!
You said it well and this is the work you have to do for yourself. YOU CAN DO IT; sometimes it takes someone to guide you to understand how to re process and re program your perspective of how to apply it.
I think you can see your responses there must be something at home you are not confronting, being real and authentic with your self and others.
Either this is a problem, such as not being happy with your current living conditions, Job marital status, raising children ect… you must work this out within your self or perhaps it is a relationship that has not been mended. And possibly grieving the loss that you have previously mentioned. If so, reminding you what I have written back in March.
So I think in all fairness with great sympathy for your losses I would like to say.
I have been exposed to many traumatic experiences in my life, and am currently grieving a new loss of a close family member as well as preparing for a mom to die with the added grief of survivor’s guilt of my younger son. (Long story- the medical community damaged his immune system causing a neurological problem) BTW he is developing great and we are making great gains on repairing his immune system.
Losses are very hard to deal with. There are many phases of grieving and you must go through each one of them to make complete peace with them.
Some just take a real long time to do, this is a hard thing but as far as all grievances and TMS we do not have control of the loss, and we must not blame ourselves these are circumstances we must choose to let go so we may heal ourselves.
It is a process and eventually we will heal, but as far as TMS we must make a willful Choice to make peace with all the areas that are effecting our repressed emotions.
Always Hope For Recovery
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/29/2004 : 11:31:40
It's ironic that so many of you are posting about pain while sitting and I am looking forward to healing my pain by leaving on a 10 day road trip. I hope to do nothing but sit, drive and look at he scenery of the beautiful NorthWest. One man's pain is another's pleasure.
I am starting on a re-conditioning program for my TMS/"arthritic" right hip. I made a breakthrough this week by starting to run again. I am taking very small strides. I could walk faster. I have to restrain my ego that wants me to take longer strides. It's starting to pay off. My hip pain is less when I get up in the morning. The muscles of my right hip are starting to thaw out and do their fair share of the work after being dragged along in a limp for almost a decade. I can see the difference in the size of the muscles between the legs due to the atrophy. I started working on this recently by "putting my foot down" and making the toes on my right foot spread out. This action originates in the hip. The nerves that were effected by TMS/"sciatica" are now starting to fire and have energy run through them again. I have some soreness in the muscles that have not been used in a long time, but it is the good kind of soreness.
I am hoping if I can keep this up for about two weeks, that I can re-condition my right leg and maybe in a year not be able to remember which hip was the "bad" one. I realize that my discussion here has been about the "physical" but I feel I have done the "mind" work of TMS and it's time now to reap the rewards--mind over matter. I hope to pick up that step I need to be competitive on the tennis court by breaking the bad pain habit.
Emotionally, I'm feeling really confident and energized. On Monday, starting out, I was apprehensive about how the pain would be. After about 20 minutes, the hip muscles thawed and the synovial fluids started juicing up the joint. I kept the steps small for the duration. I even had something left for a short kick at the end. I used to have a good kick at the end of 5 and 10 K races in the "good old days". I did a hot-tub and a few laps in the pool and was real excited that the pain was less afterwards and the next morning. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/29/2004 : 01:11:55
Norton, it sounds like you're on the right track. The pain is there to distract you from letting the socially unacceptable repressed anger feelings from breaking through and being expressed. It's a bad habit. If you can substitute a good habit as a distraction that's a good thing. Your pain disolves and life is good. You get a positive outlook and can see the glass as half full rather than half empty. You can deal with the speed bumps of life in a positive way rather than being depressed and discouraged.
It's late at night and I think this might sound kind of Pollyanna. But I've been dealing with this TMS stuff for about ten years and feel 99% right now. Hope this helps and if I got any of it wrong others are welcome to make corrections. |
| Norton |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 20:04:01
I've really enjoyed reading all your postings. Thanks.
I am pleased to see that I am not the only one so victimized by conditioning.
Recently, I have tried to combat this situatiuon by substitution, and I have had some success with it.
For example, I am relatively certain that when I sit down in my car, I will begin to feel discomfort shortly. Classic conditioned response. Lately, however, I have tried to substitute my anxiety regarding this by listening to books on tape. I love fiction, and have been addicted to it for years. So what I try to do is get lost in the story, and therefore refocus on something other than the pain.
It seems to help.
I am definitely noticing my conditioned responses more, but that must be true of anyone who has embraced the diagnoses of TMS and its treatments.
Am I behaving like a freshman? Or have others tried something like this in their treatments?
Again, thanks to all of you who took the time to respond to my question. |
| Suzanne |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 18:40:35
My conditioning is totally ingrained and when it begins (soon as I sit, anyplace), I immediately think "what's bothering me?" and I can think of things, but I can't banish the pain. I then try to think it away, yell at it, tell it to cut it out, stop annoying me and that it's purpose is no longer needed, yet it keeps it up. If it's worry, I say "OK, I'm worried, no reason to cause my butt to knot up! Stop it!" Then it might even get worse! If it's anxiety, same thing.
How do you undo this super-duper conditioning even while following the proper steps? I'm not fearing anything. I have no fears of harming myself while sitting. I'm not afraid of damaging myself from certain chairs or the car seat. All I fear is that this won't go away. Yet I continue to fight it and try every means possible. I know it's TMS; I have no structural "damage" or "deterioration" to blame it on or cause fear. Even while sitting now typing, it's knotted up and doing a good job keeping me in pain, and travelling up to my lower back. But basically it's the anal sphincter area, tailbone...and I'm sick and tired of it controlling ME. And, it's constant, not now and then, but all the time, if sitting. (and when I lie down to sleep @ night)
I've tried the yelling at it, the "let me sit and I'll reward you" method, the deep thinking over what issues are causing the pain soon as I sit down and then trying to make it stop or lessen, yet the pain just won't listen to ME.
Reconditioning is starting to seem like it's going to take forever for me and that makes me feel so frustrated I could punch holes into walls. And, it probably makes my spasms only worsen.
Any ideas? I'm dealing with this "rock in my butt" for 4+ years and following Sarno's methods for 2 years now (I didn't come across Sarno until then). I know some people don't become pain-free in weeks or months, but I'm starting to feel I'm adding to my pain by getting worried by how long it's taking to even show improvement. My only pain-free times are vacations. I just had 6 days away from home, and the pain kicked in the day before coming home, while thinking about returning home to work and chores and daily stress, of course.
Thanks for reading and letting me vent. I'm just feeling a bit out of control these days.  |
| Susie |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 12:24:47
In regard to the new Sarno book- I thought several months ago someone said that Sarno didn't have any luck getting the physicians book published. They said his publisher said there would not be enough doctors interested in reading it. Does anyone else remember the post? I think it was from a board member who sees him. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 10:28:09
quote:
Originally posted by Dave
The single most important aspect of conditioning is to treat the pain as a signal to shift your thoughts to your emotions.
Any time you are aware of the pain, just say to yourself "OK, what's bothering me now."
Do this over and over, any time you feel pain. It took a lifetime to develop the TMS habit. It can take months or years to recondition your unconscious. As long as you don't fall into the various traps that your unconscious will set to derail the process (intensifying the pain, moving the pain, bringing on entirely new symptoms) then you should see slow and steady progress.
Excellent post Dave!
If TMShelp can be summarized and put in a foutune cookie you did it.
Brillant!
I am going to copy it amd put it in my wallet.
Thanks a million,
tt |
| MidwestJim |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 10:24:57
quote:
Originally posted by jade
About a year ago, after my visit to Sarno, I posted that he told me that conditioning was extremely important and that he planned to emphasize it more in his next book which I think is aimed more to the medical profession.
Ah, perhaps that's the post that I was remembering - Thanks! As an aside, I would (as I'm sure everyone here would, as well) love to see the "next" book. Anyone have any clue as to as its publication date?? |
| Dave |
Posted - 07/28/2004 : 08:04:49
The single most important aspect of conditioning is to treat the pain as a signal to shift your thoughts to your emotions.
Any time you are aware of the pain, just say to yourself "OK, what's bothering me now."
Do this over and over, any time you feel pain. It took a lifetime to develop the TMS habit. It can take months or years to recondition your unconscious. As long as you don't fall into the various traps that your unconscious will set to derail the process (intensifying the pain, moving the pain, bringing on entirely new symptoms) then you should see slow and steady progress. |
| JoeW |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 20:35:11
I was interested in this as well, particularly after reading this article (http://www.harleystressclinic.com/medical_hypotheses_volume_59.htm) which was mentioned on this pro-TMS site for RSI sufferers (http://www.conquerrsi.com/handout.html).
In the case of RSI, I believe fear-conditioning plays a large part. There are so many scare stories about how you can be damaged and may never use a computer again. If you start to feel pain, maybe initially because your posture at the keyboard is bad, you start to worry you've got RSI, you tense up, your pain gets worse, and a vicious cycle begins.
Norton, you mention re-conditioning your conscious thoughts, but I think that conditioning is unconscious, and this is what makes it hard to change. In particular, any kind of conditioning based on fear is hard to change, because it is important for survival. From further reading (Joseph LeDoux - The Emotional Brain), I understand that the only way to extinguish a conditioned fear response is to repeatedly carry out the original task without getting the adverse reaction.
I think that believing and applying Sarno's methods is certainly a step towards doing this. Once you realise that you are actually not going to cause real damage, You no longer fear activity.
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| Susie |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 20:25:02
I really second Jim on the matter of reconditioning yourself. I have recently noticed that my dog Bill will always have the same response to the same triggers. If I leave him in the car and close the door, he pretends to bite me. If I leave the house he runs from window to window as I drive away. Today I waited outside the door and looked in before getting in the car. He was waiting for me to drive away to perform the same behavior at the same trigger of driving away. I noticed if I change my routine, Bill is a little lost in his normal response. Besides having a totally skitzo dog, I have proven to myself that if he can be reconditioned, so can I. Like Jim said, the main key is just to notice. I have found that I develope the same tms symptoms to the same triggers time after time. Certain people in my life can stimulate the same symptom in me. If I stop myself when the symptom begins and notice the conditioned response , I can generally stop the symptom. I am getting better and better at it. All of a sudden when I get up in the morning, I feel really good. I feel like I have regained my quality of life. The more you practice undoing your conditioned response, the better you will get at it. Like everything else to do with tms, it just takes time and patience. I also thought alot of Rick Carson's book "Taming Your Gremlin". It had great advice for "learning to notice". You are on the right track. Best of luck to you. |
| jade |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 18:06:21
A post from the old board had mentioned that he was focusing more and more on that post-MBP; perhaps even planning to discuss it in his next book? If the poster of that message (or any one else) has more details or information, PLEASE share.
About a year ago, after my visit to Sarno, I posted that he told me that conditioning was extremely important and that he planned to emphasize it more in his next book which I think is aimed more to the medical profession.
What helps me with realizing how important conditioning is to recognize it in everday activities that are unrelated to TMS. For example, when I was doing some ironing years ago, I burned myself severely while ironing a collar on a shirt. I held the iron in a certain way. Ever since then, whenever I hold the iron in that same way, I recall what happened. Just be observant on how conditioning appears all the time in daily life and then you will see how it can relate to TMS. |
| Norton |
Posted - 07/27/2004 : 17:59:46
Thanks Jim.
This forum is really helpful. I got up from my chair feeling better this morning |
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