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Posted - 09/10/2005 : 15:06:06
For some strange reason the topic "An emotional resolution for cold feet and hands" has been locked by the board moderator so that people cannot respond to the tooic, even though it is a valid topic of discussion for this message board.
See: http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1331
With the most respect I can convey via the internet I disagree with locking this topic as this should be an open forum as long as we treat each other with respect and not abuse one another when we disagree. All of us are suffering one way or another and are eargerly trying to find resolution to end our suffering. It is demoralzing and discouraging when one posts a topic for discussion with the purest of intentions to then have the topic locked by the moderator. Frankly, I am hurt by it as this is one forum I can come to where people understand what I, and others like me, are going through.
Dr. Sarno, regardless of what some people on this message board might think, is most certainly not the final word on emotional links to physical symptoms. Nor is he the first or only person to talk about such links and what is the appropriate course of action to take in dealing with this problem. He is one voice in many. I personally refuse to keep myself in the "whatever Sarno says is like a pronouncement from God and all others are anathema" mode of thinking. The article was entirely appropriate as it does indeed discuss emotional links to a specific physical set of symptoms which ties in with TMS diagnosis, even if the treatment may be a bit different than what Dr. Sarno prescribes. Even TMS practioners are not in agreement as to the appropriate mode of treatment for all patients as I have learned from communicating with a few of them. |
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| Dave |
Posted - 09/18/2005 : 08:42:59
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Originally posted by HilaryN
Dave, I’m still not clear about this. Do you mean you are not happy for this forum to be used as a support group?
I have no problem if the forum serves that purpose even though it is not the main point.
The primary purpose is for discussion of TMS and related topics. If members wish to provide support for each other in their recovery from TMS, it is certainly reasonable.
Again, my point is that I do not want the board to go down the path of discussing various physical or psychological techniques that have never been associated with TMS just because they might be helpful. Dr. Sarno spent 30 years formulating his theory and figuring out what works. It is presumptious of anyone to, after reading a website or a book or even going to a few sessions, decide that some questionable practice is helpful in recovery from TMS.
Anyway, I don't wish to belabor the point, even though it has already happened. Let's end the discussion on this topic. |
| HilaryN |
Posted - 09/17/2005 : 17:29:38
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(Dave) This is a moderated discussion on TMS and related topics, specifically, the theories of Dr. Sarno. It is not intended to be a general discussion on "emotional links to physical symptoms," nor a support group for "sufferers."
Dave, I’m still not clear about this. Do you mean you are not happy for this forum to be used as a support group?
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| Baseball65 |
Posted - 09/13/2005 : 08:48:12
Hi P.M.
I read the string(what was left of it) and I think Dave was trying to do the right thing.
We ALL get sidetracked into other stuff and he is usually fairly liberal about letting us meander,but that particular method,although initially similar in appearance,is altogether different.
I've started posts about this very subject before.A LOT of people have written reeeeeems of literature about the mind/body connection,"alternative" healing and the role of emotions in chronic syndromes.Not everybody 'against' the system is 'for' Sarno...there are just as many Quacks in Meditation groups as there are in Hospitals.
What distinguishes Sarno from the rest is a very,very simple fundamental explanation,diagnosis,plan of action,and large community of successful recoveries.
I myself have always used Louise Hays' book to supplement my TMS work,however if I had never understood TMS and had a Dr. with clinical experience explain it clearly,I would have laughed my A$$ off at Louise Hay.
Dr. Sarno's work is not unlike Newtons work in Physics.At the time of Newton,many Scientists sensed that Gravity was probably like light in having an Inverse square formula to explain it's effects,but NO ONE else could do more than speculate on the observational data.
It took Newton to put it to paper and explain it's calculations and properties so that ANYONE who read his book could have a full understanding of how to do it themselves
There are many,many people making the connection between back pain and the emotions,but the world is full of skeptics like me,who need very clear persuasion.
-Piggy
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| Fox |
Posted - 09/13/2005 : 07:40:13
I've been thinking about my last post, and perhaps I was too absolutistic. I believe that I have been helped by several books which are listed as recommended on this web site, and I don't remember these books to have a strong evidence base. That includes the insomnia book, Facing the Fire, and especially Claire Weeks book (although her book may not have helped me with my leg pain, it has helped me tremendously in dealing with anxiety.) |
| Fox |
Posted - 09/12/2005 : 07:54:06
I totally agree with Dave that this board needs to stick to the tried and true "purist" Sarno approach. Generally, other theories just dilute and weaken one's efforts using the effective information and tools that Sarno has provided. Nothing else should be covered (at length anyway) - unless it has a direct relationship to TMS theory AND the theory under discussion is supported by a strong empirical evidence base demonstrating successful outcomes. |
| ssjs |
Posted - 09/11/2005 : 21:17:40
The reason I think that you cannot put all of these approaches together is because all of the searching for new ways to help and address your problems, will not really do one thing if you don't truely believe that YOU are the answer. All of this other balony...the meditation...the affirmations...the new way to a better you books...the "pay this much and learn a new method of living life"... just distracts you from really thinking and feeling. That is my problem with all of these other methods...the fact that they can become totally distracting in themselves.
All the meditation, all the books about being the most grounded and best you, and all the affirmations in the world do not mean a thing if they just distract you from doing the work.
And by work, I do not mean constant journaling, and going over and over in your head how bad things are and what new method will help. Wallowing in sadness is not the answer. Exploring it, and moving on is. Spending money on books and affirmations and new age stuff is not the just answer. Sometimes we just have to get up and CHANGE THINGS. Not just read about how others have done it.
We really just need to look inside our own heads with the help of a therapist if need be...and really CHANGE things. We need to explore ourselves...not others ideas of "the way".
If you want to get into God...there is one thing I have always heard. God helps those who help themselves. Amen.
We must all help ourselves...with Sarnos help. But that is as far as I go...You all can spend money on all of this other stuff.
I feel great and am sorry that you are all searching so much when the answer is right in front of you.
Forgive me for going crazy right now...9/11 is such a sad day...so much waste...New orleans, and the surrounding areas...it is all so sad. That is why we must better our lives...It is in all of us.
Truely, I was a mess until I found Dr. Sarno...and the difference between him and all the other stuff...He tells you to look into yourself...not to look to others.
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| HilaryN |
Posted - 09/11/2005 : 15:09:48
PeterMcKay, I sympathise, too – I think it would have been interesting to discuss it in the context of TMS – especially for people like me, who don’t have easy access to a TMS therapist.
However, I think the Administrator’s job is a tricky one, and I agree with PeterW’s comments too.
I think we have to respect Dave’s wish even if we don’t necessarily agree. I’d like take this opportunity as a new member to say that I think this forum is great. I’ve read some very interesting posts and comments here. Lots I want to add my comments to – just not enough time!
I agree with Bazz, too – I also miss having a clear tool. But perhaps a step-by-step method isn’t really appropriate – first because different approaches work for different people, and second because there’s a danger that it would lead to a blind “follow the method” and make us lazy about thinking things through.
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| Bazz |
Posted - 09/11/2005 : 13:38:32
I don't understand why both approaches couldn't be supplementary to each other. I Have experienced that EFT is a really helpfull tool to "unload" some strong emotions that come back continually. Actually I have read a book about EFT were the theory of dr. Sarno was considered in one chapter. I think both approaches are very close related. In fact both theories have the basic assumption that the pain or discomfort is the consequense of an overreaction of the nervoussystem caused by emotions. I think dr. Sarno gives a very well theorethical explanation for the relation between emotions and the physical pain. EFT does provide us of a very effective tool. Although I'm really happy that I have discovered the work of dr. Sarno, I miss an really clear tool in his approach.
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| PeterW |
Posted - 09/11/2005 : 11:21:56
Peter, I sympathise with your position. First impression, I thought the locking of the topic was a bit harsh.
But I think questions over where to draw the line about allowable topics of discussion are inevitable in a board of this nature. I've noticed some conflict over exactly this issue in other threads over the past weeks, such as one that brought up biblical quotes. In a nutshell, a line has to be drawn somewhere, but different people will have totally different concepts of where this line should be.
All the folks who come to this board will have common ground in their interest in and/or desire to work with the Sarno books and the TMS principles of him and likeminded colleagues. Some will have been at it for years and know exactly what they want and what they dont want, others are new on their journey and are still exploring options, or seeking support. How 'purist' they are in their approach will vary with the individual - many will not want to look at anything else, others may want to compliment it or be open to other avenues be they other mindbody and emotional books and approaches, or religious/spiritual beliefs, or whatever. Personally, I'm in the second of these categories. Sarno may be brilliant, but I believe no mere mortal should be thrust into deity status.
But I'm also relatively new to TMS and this board. Dave and other vets here who have devoted years and hundreds of posts to this board have no doubt debated these points in the past and come to clear decisions about policy for the good of the majority. And it has been clearly decided that this board is for TMS approaches exclusively, as opposed to being a board that holds TMS approaches as the central tenet within the wider context of healing. Being the open minded sort I'd personally prefer the latter, but since it's been decided I'll respect their position.
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| Dave |
Posted - 09/11/2005 : 09:08:00
You are free to disagree, but this is not an "open forum." This is a moderated discussion on TMS and related topics, specifically, the theories of Dr. Sarno. It is not intended to be a general discussion on "emotional links to physical symptoms," nor a support group for "sufferers." It is a forum about TMS.
You will find that I very rarely edit this forum, and for the most part, allow members to freely post their ideas, even if they are off topic. I chose not to delete your original message, only to lock the thread.
This is not the first time that EFT has come up, nor the first time that this website was mentioned on this forum. You may believe that EFT has a lot in common with TMS; I disagree. It falls into a range of questionable practices that supposedly unlock repressed emotions.
TMS practitioners (at least ones who are faithful to Dr. Sarno) do not prescribe any special techniques. The treatment is based on education, reconditioning, and if necessary, psychotherapy.
EFT, EMDR, and other "pseudo-sciences" are not topics for discussion on this forum. I am sorry if you disagree with this decision. |
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