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| leegold |
Posted - 08/05/2005 : 06:26:22
good stuff, all! i am encouraged and strengthened by this community
FYI: for any who are bible-believers, sarno and tms line up perfectly.
-in proverbs 14:30 solomon said 'a tranquil heart is life to the body but passion (anger) is rottenness to the bones'
- paul said 'be transformed by the renewing of the mind'
i have realized that my affinity for focusing on the body came very early in life. one of the things i did in the course of my journaling was to create a timeline of all the 'maladies'. i was amazed how i jumped from 1 to the next to the next- unfortunaltely not always instead of but in addition to- but ALWAYS something. 20 yrs worth of mix-and-match: major depression, asthma, yeast-infection, epstein-barr virus, insomnia (back again now im fighting the tms), anxiety, back pain, chiropractic addiction (been adjusted on every vacation around the world for the last 10 yrs) etc. before that college workaholism and in high school drug use. during it all i also overeat (which everyone knows is a cover for low self-esteem and emotion avoidance). ALL took an AMAZING amount of time, $$ and FOCUS
in fact when i was inpatient for depression 17 yrs ago my file noted how i was 'excessively focused on body'. my wife has been praying for years for me to get the real answer- and now i have. she always said 'it's always something with you'
anyway, just bringing everything into the light and sharing dissipates a lot of it's power to hold us hostage.
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| ssjs |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 17:48:57
Actually, I do not mind the religious stuff, and you make good points when you say that we accept quotes from every other book except the bible...of course the reason is the condescending manner in which the bible is often brought up, people always trying to save you. But I never thought that that was what was happening here.
I also do not think that rejecting bible stuff means we have any more of a problem than the rejection of any other books. We chose what we believe and what we don't.
Anyway Leegold...good luck at Dr. Sarno's followup. the last time I saw him was around 1989. BEST thing I ever did!
In fact...Dr. Sarno saved me!
Sandy |
| Suz |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 17:09:20
Ok. I have been away from the board for a few days and just read this string of posts. What is going on here? I cannot tell you how many times I have disagreed with quotes from specific authors - in fact some of the books I am familiar with really spook me out. But if it is helping the person reading it - to uncover emotions and ideas regarding Sarno's techniques - who am I , what kind of arrogance woud I have to tell them to stop and not mention or quote from the book???? I have one author in mind but do not want to be hurtful to the person who has been reading and quoting them.
There are some serious double standards going on here. It is incredible that the word "God" - or the bible - a book that you may or may not agree with causes such disdain and anger in people. I am appalled by this lack of understanding and incredible judgement of others. Leegold was not trying to convert anyone in the posts - simply doesn't have that kind of power. What happened to tolerance and kindness?
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| JohnD |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 15:26:52
We could all be polite not say anything that could remotely offend anyone else(and we would still probably offend some people) But in the real world we don't agree with everything that everyone else says, and maybe coming to terms with that is the more fruitful alternative. Then, quite possibly we might just have a place where tolerance, compassion and respect were the foundation for how we relate to each other.....and just maybe there wouldn't be so many petty arguments...and maybe just maybe LESS TMS. |
| Scottydog |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 15:08:38
Wow, Art agrees with me - that's a first! but we are getting too off subject here. If i'd been a true brit I wouldn't have got involved in this discussion in the first place!!
Anne
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| art |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 14:50:00
That's interesting Anne. Sounds very enlightened to me actually...very civilized. I like that approach.
I've actually got quite a big ax to grind when it comes to religion...It's a cover for all sorts of mischief in the world, from terrorism to bigotry to child molesting. Without doubt, more people have been killed in the name of God than in any other cause.
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| Scottydog |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 14:10:57
Yes,
This comes up alot here. Those not in favour of certain views need to examine themselves to see why they have a problem.
Maybe it would just be plain polite if the scripture quoters assume that as this is an international website not everyone will have their religious beliefs.
I am from the uk and probably partly due to historical reasons (remember the Protestants and Catholics in N Ireland are still shooting it out (despite what the papers say) ) no one would quote religious scriptures of any sort in the pub, staff room or anywhere else.
Because it's inflammatory, because it's considered bad manners or because so few people go to churhc it would be a waste of time - who knows - it's just not done.
Anne
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| leegold |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 14:06:53
"I have also noticed that SOMETIMES when people look to religion to save them...or any other new age stuff...SOMETIMES...they do not take enough steps to really look into themselves."
ssjs- i agree with you 100%. the only way out is through, and the only way through is hard, painful work; however, nothing truly worthwhile having in life is easy.
i am going to NY to be a part of dr sarno's follow up group session tomorrow- i'll post anything i learn of interest.
Lee
A tranquil heart is life to the body, but passion is rottenness to the bones |
| yowire |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 13:45:19
It may be beneficial for those who have a strong reaction to seeing biblical quotes to dig deeper for the reasons why. Dr. Sarno mentions that our religious upbringing can be a large source of internal rage.
Yowire |
| art |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 12:25:19
Can't resist these sorts of discussions...Thus, my two cents...
I'm as anti-religion as they come....In my view,religion is one of the great destructive forces in the world and we would all be better off without it...Just my opinion of course...
Having said that, I didn't see anything offensive in lee's biblical quotations..In fact I found them pretty interesting in a universal/pyschological/non-sectarian kind of way.
I think the danger is that there are some who can't read such things without getting all god-ish on us...We all have different beliefs and non-beliefs and clearly blatantly religious posts are out of place here...It's simply impossible to say "I believe in "x" without offending those who believe in "y"
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| ssjs |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 10:52:15
Since so many times people who use bible passages would love to convert others,or show differently believers the wrongness of their ways, those of us who are not into that feel very uncomfortable, even if that is not what your particular agenda is.
We may or may not believe in a god, but it has been my experience thet if we do not believe in the way the quote-er's believe, it can get weird.
That is why there is such discomfort. I have no problem if there is a string of posts with god in them, but if turns up in all strings, well that is not really what this board is about.
I have also noticed that SOMETIMES when people look to religion to save them...or any other new age stuff...SOMETIMES...they do not take enough steps to really look into themselves.
They become distracted by the dogma.
On the other hand..I guess it does save some.
I will add a John Lennon quote here "God is a concept by which we measure our pain"
Then I will quote no more...except for Sarno.
Sandy
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| Scottydog |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 08:53:33
It makes me feel that there is a clique who are turning to
god for there recovery whcih leaves me out in the cold as I don't believe in one so I will need to keep that in mind when I read their views instead of just thinking that they are in the same "trying to sort out my life/health probs with Sarno" mindset that I have.
Anne
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| leegold |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 08:22:31
scottydog-
why give someone the power to cause u 2b disheartened because of their point of view? if you dont agree, then dont agree- im sure there have been plenty of posts that you dont necessarily agree with.
there are plenty of beliefs that i totally disagree with on this forum, but i just disagree with what i disagree with and use what i can use.
use the grocery store analogy: take what u want and leave the rest on the shelf. nobody is trying to "prove" sarno is biblically correct; its no different then when one person posts how wayne dyer's or john bradshaw's or louise hay's or deepak chopra's writings support and help in their tms recovery,
Lee
A tranquil heart is life to the body, but passion is rottenness to the bones |
| Dave |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 08:20:37
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Originally posted by leegold
1.why is it that every book and belief are ok to expound upon and recommend and quote in this forum except the bible? it has a lot of wisdom and is a good commentary on the human condition (which is exactly what we are dealing with here).
If you read the policy of this site you will see there are no rules against quoting the bible.
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2.If you look at the 2 quotes i mentioned, they are both psychological truths (which is again what we are dealing with here) and not at all "religious"
And as you can see, I did not delete the post.
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4.having said all that, i will comply with your wishes to ban any direct references to the bible, religion and/or any deity
These are your words, not the forum policy.
I will not allow (yet another) drawn out discussion on what is and what is not relevant on this forum. Our long-time members understand where I'm coming from and realize that I have a pretty liberal policy when it comes to moderating.
As always, those who are offended by the forum's policy or feel they are being unjustly censored are free to stop visiting. |
| Scottydog |
Posted - 08/22/2005 : 07:57:43
I disagree. I don't go to church and feel quite disheartened when I read all thses biblical quotes. It's no longer just messages being a sharing of tms problems and belief in Sarno's cure but we also need "proof" that God supports Sarno's words and is supporting (some) of us all the way.
Anne
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| JohnD |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 21:16:35
From my point of view, it didn't seem that anyone was pushing any type of beliefs on anyone else. It just seemed like a friendly conversation |
| leegold |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 19:08:22
1.why is it that every book and belief are ok to expound upon and recommend and quote in this forum except the bible? it has a lot of wisdom and is a good commentary on the human condition (which is exactly what we are dealing with here).
2.If you look at the 2 quotes i mentioned, they are both psychological truths (which is again what we are dealing with here) and not at all "religious"
3.as to proselytizing- please read the definition:
v. pros·e·ly·tized, pros·e·ly·tiz·ing, pros·e·ly·tiz·es
v. intr.
1. To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith.
2. To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine.
v. tr.
To convert (a person) from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.
please read the posts again- nobody in this thread has tried to induce or convert anyone to do or believe anything
4.having said all that, i will comply with your wishes to ban any direct references to the bible, religion and/or any deity, and i imagine the others who posted after me will also comply; after all, we are all just trying to make our lives work and this forum is a helpful part of that. i have to say, though, that it seems ridiculous to target only one book/belief (and the all time #1 bestseller at that) while allowing all others to continue to post.
Lee
A tranquil heart is life to the body, but passion is rottenness to the bones |
| electraglideman |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 12:14:30
Leegold,
You bring up a very good observation when you said "during it all I also overate (Which everyone knows is a cover for low self esteem and emotion avoidance). How many times have we went to the kitchen for a snack just to take our minds off of what's bothering us. I have noticed that I have been taking off some unwanted pounds and inches, without really trying, since I have been practicing Dr. Sarno's methods.
Another good reason to continue with the program.
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| moose1 |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 08:15:41
Great moderating as usual, Dave. I respect peoples' religious beliefs as much as anyone, but not when they're put on parade.
Moose1 |
| almost there |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 07:51:17
Dave,
Thanks again for stepping in and getting this Forum back on track....I've noticed lately the posts seem to be all about issues that really have little or nothing to do with TMS and Dr. Sarno! |
| Dave |
Posted - 08/21/2005 : 07:24:39
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Originally posted by PeterMcKay
I feel I bit uneasy about the religous stuff on the forum as I feel there is prostelyzing taking place. I wish we could just keep these kinds of things to ourselves. Sorry, but I am turned off by this. There are other forums for that type of thing. Speaking for myslef only, I am hear to work on getting better and not convinced someone's faith convictions.
You're absolutely right and it's clearly against forum policy.
For those who find religion helpful in treating TMS, that's great, but that's not what this forum is about. |
