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| Logan |
Posted - 07/20/2005 : 04:51:30
In the four years that I had neck pain - before finding about Sarno - I hardly ever got sick. Since being pain free, almost two years now, I notice that I am much more susceptible to colds. Most recent case in point: I am in Cambridge England on a five week long summer school exchange program. One of the students brought an American cold with her on the plane; this cold has spread to almost all of us in the group yet a few students have remained healthy. Why?
I was among one of the second generation of sufferers despite my efforts at journaling, being emotionally present, picturing my immune system as strong, doing anger releases etc. I got better quickly so I thing these things helped me as far as it not developing into a sinus infection or pneumonia which is something I have had a history of, especially if I am feeling betrayed, down etc.
Incidentally, I've had my "old friend" TMS equivalent since being here, which is hives on my fingers and feet. I've gottent those when stressed out since I was around 8 or so. I'm wondering if it's because I'm really fearful of dying in a attack similar to the terrorist bombings that occured in London on the very morning of my flight into the country.
Basically, the reason I'm posting is this: have any of you had an increase in colds since being pain free and if so, have you figured a way out of getting them? |
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| myles |
Posted - 11/17/2008 : 05:24:05
I searched for a thread on colds and sore throats as I've been really having a tough time recently and now got my second cold in as many months. I went for a run for an hour around the city and I was fine!
I had a sleepless night and have a bit of a blocked up nose today, but am well impressed.
TMS: many symptoms, one solution... "challenge it and deal with your emotions" |
| Laura |
Posted - 07/23/2005 : 12:44:57
Baseball,
Thanks for the info. You made me laugh out loud - you are so darn funny ("Thank you merciful God.") I appreciate you sharing this with me because I will definitely be trying things this way next time I get a sniffle (or anything else for that matter).
Thank you again! Have a great weekend.
Laura
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| Baseball65 |
Posted - 07/23/2005 : 10:35:00
Hi Laura.
Well,I kind of mix the technique we learned when we got rid of our pain with the 'Idea' that Ms Hay ascribes to that particular malady.
I think of it this way: We don't get colds or flus.We get a bag of 'symptoms' and than we match them up with whatever commonly agreed upon description would best describe that bag.
Sinuses burning,coughy,stuffed up=cold.
Sinuses burning,coughy,stuffed up,achy with fever,puking=flu
there are something like 400 cold viruses in the world and the CDC only knows how many flus! How to log them all??????
My Sarno experience taught me that my focushas a lot to do with what I think...if I think about my real problems,I don't notice the burning in my butt cheek...right? If I do focus on it,I begin to wonder what I did to hurt it,or why I am hurting.
So,we always feel ONE symptom or feeling first...our focus isn't evolved enough to notice too many things at once(Thank you merciful God!)
Let's say that one feeling is: "My Sinuses are burning"...that's usually the first in MY parade of cold symptoms(everybodies parade is different)
Than I look up SINUSes in the book.Louise Hay's definition is "Irritation at one person,usually close".....so,I begin to use that same sort of focus that banished my pain,except on THAT person...it's always obvious who it is....I focus on how much I hate them doing whatever,how irritating they are,wondering if I ever do to others what they are doing to me,etc...every possible angle,and I get thoroughly immersed in the thinking.
Usually,in about an hour or two it will turn to CHILLS: LH says: "Mental contraction,desire to pull away and in,retreat,"leave me alone""
So then I focus on that desire to LEAVE this person and get back to a place where I feel safe from there sphere of influence...I don't have to actually get away geographically,just mentally.
Than I might get stuffed up,CONGESTION:"Too much going on at once,mental confusion"I get three colds a year" type of belief"
and I work through each and every though until it vanishes.It might be the ned of the day when I am kicking back throwing a ball...I'll all of a sudden remeber that earlier in the day I was thinking I was getting sick...and I'll laugh!!
Mind you now,I worked for the biggest JERK in the world this past winter,so I always had someone to focus my anger on....perhaps if I worked for someone I didn't detest so clearly it might have been more difficult to focus on what is really bothering me.None the less,each time I was certain I was getting sick and than wasn't,my confidence in this method grew....that's why I was so flummoxed at that chest infection we got in the spring...oh yeah..I was working with my best friend(who also got sick)
BTW...My best friend gets sick about once every two years...if even that often.He is one of the most even tempered,positive vibe guys you could possibly imagine.We have NOTHING in common as far as personality traits...probably why we are such good friends.
Anyways,that's about the how and the why of the deal...I hope that helps.
BTW I read the posts about your Husband and your...uhh..differences of opinion??
What I realized from all the posts and support I got was that my situation is NOT unique.I thought my wife was the evilest most treacherous witch in the world for not supporting me and taking her families side.Seems from the responses I got that we're pretty average.If we're pretty average than there HAS to be some way to overcome this...sorta' like our back pain...we thought No One could understand how bad our back hurt and than we were saved.....I believe in miracles,even though I still can't see how I'm ever going to get past this anger...it hasn't abated,it's just on a shelf right here in my office.
We're reading a book together about communication and what's important to men vs. women...it's a start.
peace
Baseball65 |
| Laura |
Posted - 07/23/2005 : 09:54:32
Baseball,
I, like you, am a huge fan of Louise Hay. I love her! I want to know what you do exactly when you use her methods. Do you read what she says and then read the new thought patterns over and over? I think you've had great luck with this and I want to know exactly how you do it so I can follow your lead. I just merely read her book and look stuff up, but I don't know that I am able to "Hay it away" the way you are.
Thanks!
By the way, how are things on the homefront? I feel like I'm going through some of the same feelings you are so could totally relate to your posts.
Laura
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| Baseball65 |
Posted - 07/22/2005 : 16:10:47
quote:
have you figured a way out of getting them?
Hi Logan
I wouldn't say I've 'figured out a way of not getting them',but I din't get a single one all winter,and that is after being a sickly sort of chronic cold/sore throat/brochitis/pneumonia guy for a while.
First of all,let's debunk a bunch of BS regarding how people catch colds.
Colds are NOT caused by having wet hair in a draft....if that was true,Lewis and Clark would have had colds on their entire expedition,as would have Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone,Napoleons entire Army ,ad infinitum.......People conquered continents without catching,prolonging or exacerbating colds.
Colds are NOT caused by exposure to people with colds...if that were the case,than most doctors would be out sick most of the time(clue)...Ahhh..fundamental epidemiology.Wash your hands every now and then,keep your face out of the face of someone who is sick,don't share a glass.But merely being in the presence of a sick person doesn't condemn you to being sick.Louise Hay addresses the idea of mass assumptions,like "Oh...I get three colds every winter"
Rapid body temperature changes are NOT the cause of colds,or else I and every other outdoor laborer would be sick from about september to March every year.
Ya' see.I read the Louise Hay book and noticed that you hear this kind of stuff rattled off by every armchair epedemiologist at the Prescription counter....excuse the expression,but they are OLD wives tales.A cold is a virus.Your body decides when you get that virus by a variety of factors,but after my first winter in a cold climate with the least number of colds ever(0) I would have to say that our minds play a HUGE role as to when we get that particular virus.
Interesting,it was my first winter with NO medical insurance...not having a 20 dollar co-pay,but rather $200 for every chill or sniffle made me tell my body "we're NOT getting sick...we can't afford it!"
In about May,my work partner and I came down with a Horrible,terrible chest/cough deal.I of course used the Louise Hay method,but this time it didn't work.I wondered if I was losing my new found feeling of empowerment.My partner hadn't been sick in two years.We suspected it might be bacterial,as we were working in an old,moldy home that had been unoccupied for years.We both came down with symptoms on the same day(day 2 in the house) and both stayed sick for quite awhile.
I happened to be having that root canal,and was prescibed some hardcore anti-biotics.The Symptoms evaporated immediately(bacterial confirmed) while my friend who is much healthier than me remained very ill for 2 more weeks.
So,when you said: quote:
I got better quickly so I thing these things helped me as far as it not developing into a sinus infection or pneumonia
I was onced hospitalized for Pneumonia.I was mistakenly told I would be likely to have many more sicknesses in life,as "once you've been that sick,it really hurts your immune system".....I just stopped believing that BS,and Ta da...no more sickness!!
Anyways,I've said it before...her catalogue of what sort of mental states can bring on what kind of symptoms has been precious.With all the different types of ailments available to a TMS type personality,it's nice to get a 'head start' into looking into the appropriate 'folder' if you will.It sort of directs you to which part of our very complex minds to start applying simple principles.
peace
Baseball65 |
| Scottydog |
Posted - 07/21/2005 : 15:35:45
Not long after I'd read Dr Sarno's MBP I visited my daughter at Santa Barbara Uni, California. It was February, I think, and mid term exam time. She and all her room mates had colds, sinus probs etc. A couple of weeks later I picked up my son from uni in Edinburgh, Scotland, where they were completing end of term exams. Everyone there was suffering from colds, sore throats etc. Coincidence or exam stress?
Scottydog |
| n/a |
Posted - 07/21/2005 : 11:25:18
since I started taking doses of vitamin c (500mg) on a daily basis several months ago I have never got a cold since, and I used to get colds quite often. I am not saying that I won't get one, it is just that I have not got one since I began taking the vitamin c. |
| Laura |
Posted - 07/20/2005 : 10:56:05
I have a set of audiotapes by Dr. Wayne Dyer where he talks about the power of the mind. He talks about how he hasn't had a cold "in years" because he doesn't "think cold thoughts." In other words, he says that he doesn't think about getting colds and he just doesn't allow colds to happen to him. I find that truly amazing.
Do you ever notice that if you are around someone who gets a cold you start thinking "What if I get one too" and then sure enough, you do? I think it's the mind once again controlling the immune system. The mind is a powerful thing.
Laura
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| johnnyg |
Posted - 07/20/2005 : 10:33:24
The first person to figure a way out of getting colds would probably win a nobel prize. I think Sarno addresses colds as in the category of immune deficiencies that are affected by stress, but not necessarily caused by stress(although they could be).
It is entirely possible that your brain has moved from affecting your autonomic nervious system to affecting your immune system, thus the colds serve as a distraction. For me, Instead of colds, I get bad allergies in the form of coughing or sinus attacks. I have been able to reduce symptoms by recognizing that I tense up my head, neck and shoulders (bracing)--this can cause bronchial spasms. So I work on relaxing them and repeating over and over "there is nothing wrong with me", ect, etc. |
| marytabby |
Posted - 07/20/2005 : 06:21:33
I've had the opposite. I USED to get colds constantly. Since practicing the TMS work, and my back feels better, my colds have stayed away but as usual, now have other new symptoms instead of the colds. The colds have been replaced by other ailments such as wrist pain, lightheadedness, anxiousness, eye twitches, the list goes on. So it's conceiveable that your colds are a new TMS manifestation, just as my new symptoms are. |
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